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« Reply #195 on: November 18, 2015, 10:56:AM »
thats the point without evidence you can make anything up

I will find my post highlighting the forensic evidence.

The judge said there was also a mountain of circumstantial evidence. Which is just as important.

There is also several motives, only one alive suspect, who knew about the crime,  and no alibi.

How much more does a jury need to vote 'guilty' ?
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« Reply #196 on: November 18, 2015, 10:58:AM »
Bamber's supporters have often claimed there was no forensic evidence linking him to the massacre. 

Is it correct that there is no forensic evidence ? 

Bamber's footprints and fingerprints will be all over the house. He was a regular visitor. Either sneaking through windows to look at wills, or popping over for supper and a rabbit massacre. So no possible joy for the police here. 

Bamber had a month to dispose of clothes. Even so John Hayward found human blood on Bamber's jacket, bathrobe and in his car. 

There is June's bike which was outside Bamber's cottage. Brought over just before the massacre. 

There is the bible that landed on top of Sheila's blood. Which could not be achieved by Sheila. 

There is Sheila's legs being pulled after she had been shot. 

There is the time scale the judge mentioned - 3.26am - 3.48am. It is impossible for Sheila to have committed the massacre in this time. 

There is the fact that no one can explain how Sheila committed the massacre, which matches the forensic crime scene. 

The crime was committed by Sheila or Bamber. 

There are 14 forensic pieces of evidence showing it was not Sheila, which has been posted several times.  Which automatically shows it was Bamber. 

June being shot with her head on the pillow is forensic evidence pointing to Bamber rather than Sheila. 

The twins not waking is forensic evidence pointing to an execution, rather than a long term crazy woman episode. 

There is the silencer evidence. 

There is Bamber's telephone call to the police. Which rounded the suspects down to two. One dead. Paper logs are forensic evidence of the call happening. Which is not disputed by anyone. 

There is the found hack saw which Bamber admitted using to get in and out of WHF. But apparently not to give him easy access on the massacre night. 

There is the discovery that the kitchen window could be banged shut from outside is more  forensic evidence. 

There is Neville's smashed in face after a ferocious fight. Bamber not having a mark on him, suggesting he had body and face protection. 
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« Reply #197 on: November 18, 2015, 11:05:AM »
 So over the wetsuit,Jeremy also wore a suit of armour to guard against injuries,which also acted as a magnet for any GSR that was floating about.

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« Reply #198 on: November 18, 2015, 11:14:AM »
So over the wetsuit,Jeremy also wore a suit of armour to guard against injuries,which also acted as a magnet for any GSR that was floating about.
I agree \Lookout, this is a ridiculous idea. ;D

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« Reply #199 on: November 18, 2015, 11:18:AM »
So over the wetsuit,Jeremy also wore a suit of armour to guard against injuries,which also acted as a magnet for any GSR that was floating about.

We don't know if Jeremy had any GSR on him or not.

So over the wetsuit,Jeremy also wore a suit of armour to guard against injuries,which also acted as a magnet for any GSR that was floating about.




Sheilas also had no injuries on her. Nor did she have any blood splatter on her. Nor were any clothes found that she could have been wearing whilst committing the massacre.  Nor did she have any time to remove such clothing from WHF, Bamber did.

I agree \Lookout, this is a ridiculous idea. ;D

It would be a ridiculous idea if anyone was suggesting it, but they are not.

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« Reply #200 on: November 18, 2015, 11:19:AM »
I agree \Lookout, this is a ridiculous idea. ;D






It gets worse Maggie  ;D ;D ;D ;D I can only answer with quips like this now,as afterall,the heading is " outlandish ". :))

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« Reply #201 on: November 18, 2015, 11:20:AM »
Far-fetched might have been better. :))

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« Reply #202 on: November 18, 2015, 11:25:AM »
We don't know if Jeremy had any GSR on him or not.




Sheilas also had no injuries on her. Nor did she have any blood splatter on her. Nor were any clothes found that she could have been wearing whilst committing the massacre.  Nor did she have any time to remove such clothing from WHF, Bamber did.

It would be a ridiculous idea if anyone was suggesting it, but they are not.
Think Adam has suggested it.

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« Reply #203 on: November 18, 2015, 11:27:AM »
Adam have you suggested  that Jeremy wore a wetsuit,Jeremy also wore a suit of armour to guard against injuries,which also acted as a magnet for any GSR that was floating about.

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« Reply #204 on: November 18, 2015, 11:47:AM »
Adam have you suggested  that Jeremy wore a wetsuit,Jeremy also wore a suit of armour to guard against injuries,which also acted as a magnet for any GSR that was floating about.

I will find my thread called 'Did Jeremy wear a wet suit'.

Notice I said 'Did'.
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« Reply #206 on: November 18, 2015, 11:55:AM »
Wiggy has not thanked me for my post highlighting 28 pieces of forensic evidence.

It took at least 2 minutes to copy and paste.

Anyway, Sheila's 14 reasons is available for you. Upon request.
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« Reply #207 on: November 18, 2015, 01:46:PM »
adam i am so sorry didnt answer right away i dont actually sit waiting on your every word.

You have not listed one singe piece of forensic evidence that ties him to the crime.

Its All supposition on your part.

what you say is possible but only possible not definite thats the point.   

Bamber's footprints and fingerprints will be all over the house. He was a regular visitor. Either sneaking through windows to look at wills, or popping over for supper and a rabbit massacre. So no possible joy for the police here.

So no forensic to show he was there at the time of the shooting

Bamber had a month to dispose of clothes. Even so John Hayward found human blood on Bamber's jacket, bathrobe and in his car.

So as he had this time to dispose no evidence found there can be a number of reasons for having human blood in a bathrood jacket or car people bleed. But none of this was linked to the murders,

There is June's bike which was outside Bamber's cottage. Brought over just before the massacre.

No forensic on the bike to link it to the crime

There is the bible that landed on top of Sheila's blood. Which could not be achieved by Sheila.

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Who Knows how the bible got there since the police moved just about everthing on the crime scene before the photos were taken does not link JB to the crime .

There is Sheila's legs being pulled after she had been shot.

This is pure supposition and does not link JB to the crime.

There is the time scale the judge mentioned - 3.26am - 3.48am. It is impossible for Sheila to have committed the massacre in this time.

That again is an opinion however unlikely we dont actually know what happened and what sequence it happened as we were not there but this again is not evidence that is not open to doubt.

There is the fact that no one can explain how Sheila committed the massacre, which matches the forensic crime scene.

There is no way of explaining how anyone committed it as the scene was compromised by the police we dont know how badly compromised but we know from photos that sheilas body was moved and that things like the kitchen table evidence there are different views as to whether the table was disturbed as there are crime scene photos with the table up and the table set.

The crime was committed by Sheila or Bamber.

That makes perfect sense But still just saying that one of them had to do it isn't evidence.

There are 14 forensic pieces of evidence showing it was not Sheila, which has been posted several times.  Which automatically shows it was Bamber.

Thats just a silly statement just because there is lack of evidence for one theory dodent mean that even with the lack of evidence for another theory that must be correct. You cant convict someone on the strength someone else didnt do it.

June being shot with her head on the pillow is forensic evidence pointing to Bamber rather than Sheila. 

It not forensic evidence it a conclusion but again proves nothing it is more likely it wasn't sheila but not impossible.

The twins not waking is forensic evidence pointing to an execution, rather than a long term crazy woman episode.

Sheila wasnt as you say crazy she had mental health issues if you knew anything about having a psychotic episode then you would understand that sheila could well have done  what your saying she didnt do. However This does not prove Sheila done it there is no proof that either done it. Not enough to convict even if we all think it had to be one of them we still need proof. Your whole stance is basically no way sheila could do it therefor must be JB. And i can understand your simple way of rationalizing that  but it is however unlikely still possible that in a psychotic episode she lost control she was someone who needed more help than she was getting. I however think it was unlikely she did it and more likely JB did itt but again the evidence is not clear enough.

There is the silencer evidence.

This should never have been allowed as evidence supposedly found at the farm but taken away and given to the police at a different location. Also police searched the place it was found and saw nothing.

There is Bamber's telephone call to the police. Which rounded the suspects down to two. One dead. Paper logs are forensic evidence of the call happening. Which is not disputed by anyone.

This again is not concrete evidence JB made the call there is also some dispute whether there was anothe r call from the father to the police as per another log. But and i dont believe this but just for arguments sake there was a third suspect could have done the deed then called JB who would have been disorientated haven just woken he says sheilas gone nuts ect ect then hangs up. So its not concrete that this piece of evidence rules out  any other suspect.

There is the found hack saw which Bamber admitted using to get in and out of WHF. But apparently not to give him easy access on the massacre night.

Just cause it was found does not mean he used it on that night and im sure it was much later it was found but doesn't prove anything as he may have used it previously.

There is the discovery that the kitchen window could be banged shut from outside is more  forensic evidence.

The use of the word could in that sentence says it all

There is Neville's smashed in face after a ferocious fight. Bamber not having a mark on him, suggesting he had body and face protection.

Him Not Having a mark on him could also prove he wasnt there

Not One piece of actual evidence so thanks for proving that.

Again i think it is more likely he did it rather than sheila but there is enough room for doubt

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« Reply #208 on: November 18, 2015, 02:06:PM »
There's bags of doubt considering the man's been pleading his innocence since day one----for 30 years !

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« Reply #209 on: November 19, 2015, 04:22:PM »
There's bags of doubt considering the man's been pleading his innocence since day one----for 30 years !

Prisons are full of those.
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