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Offline David1819

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Why should I run away?  I would rather challenge you to start being honest.

What did you just post?  Was it a case document establishing Cook dismantled the moderator prior to the lab examining it and found no blood?  No it is just a document written by a Jeremy supporter containing the unsupported allegation.

If you want us to believe you then post evidence instead of merely something that makes the same allegations you make.

Scip what's the point in challenging Mike? Its like playing Chess with a Chicken, You could be the best Chess player in the world but the Chicken will just knock all the pieces of the board and claim victory.

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Scip what's the point in challenging Mike? Its like playing Chess with a Chicken, You could be the best Chess player in the world but the Chicken will just knock all the pieces of the board and claim victory.

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Offline scipio_usmc

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What is rather interesting is the redish/brown soot in the baffle plates. To the naked eye it could appear as blood.

http://www.forensic-science.co.uk/bamber5.html

If you look at soot in person it looks much different than blood. Moreover, analyzing soot would not result in positive blood tests let alone tests detailing the exact components of blood.

Also, you might like to know that the image you posted shows the back of the baffle, the side that faces the weapon.  You can see from the shape why it catches so much soot and why on the instructions they include a warning that they needs to be cleaned out.  The blood was swabbed off the front of the baffles. The front of the baffle faced the opening. Naturally the blood that entered the opening went on the face of the baffles though some could collect in between on the sides potentially depending on how much room there is between baffles. 

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Scip what's the point in challenging Mike? Its like playing Chess with a Chicken, You could be the best Chess player in the world but the Chicken will just knock all the pieces of the board and claim victory.

I once knew a chicken. It was called Hattie. The only way I could stop it making a fearful noise was by singing it to sleep. What I couldn't prevent was the copious amount of sh-one-t it left everywhere.

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Scip what's the point in challenging Mike? Its like playing Chess with a Chicken, You could be the best Chess player in the world but the Chicken will just knock all the pieces of the board and claim victory.

Hopefully one day with much badgering he come to realize what evidence is and comprehend that Jeremy supporters hand writing on a photo that it was taken on 8/29/85 by Cook is not proof it actually was taken by him on that date let alone does such notation added by a Jeremy supporter prove his most recent allegation that Cook took the photo on 8/21/85.

You know what they say- hope springs eternal.     

Chess is not entirely a bad metaphor.  Note that Mike's original claim in this thread was that there was blood inside both ends of the moderator and that it must have been planted because it could not get inside both ends.  With that claim refuted he abandoned it (leaving it for another day not abandoned as in admitted he was wrong) and changed the subject.  So challenging him gets him to drop his ridiculous claims for the moment and to jump to something else.

My favorite is when he says if Jeremy would listen to him and let him control things then Jeremy would be released.  If someone allowed Mike to act as their lawyer by the time he was done he would get person on death row even though it has been abolished.

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Hopefully one day with much badgering he come to realize what evidence is and comprehend that Jeremy supporters hand writing on a photo that it was taken on 8/29/85 by Cook is not proof it actually was taken by him on that date let alone does such notation added by a Jeremy supporter prove his most recent allegation that Cook took the photo on 8/21/85.

You know what they say- hope springs eternal.     

Chess is not entirely a bad metaphor.  Note that Mike's original claim in this thread was that there was blood inside both ends of the moderator and that it must have been planted because it could not get inside both ends.  With that claim refuted he abandoned it (leaving it for another day not abandoned as in admitted he was wrong) and changed the subject.  So challenging him gets him to drop his ridiculous claims for the moment and to jump to something else.

My favorite is when he says if Jeremy would listen to him and let him control things then Jeremy would be released.  If someone allowed Mike to act as their lawyer by the time he was done he would get person on death row even though it has been abolished.
After watching a programme recently by Trevor McDonald on the small cage-like cells housing America's Death Row inmates there's not much that country can instruct Europeans on the criminal justice system.

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After watching a programme recently by Trevor McDonald on the small cage-like cells housing America's Death Row inmates there's not much that country can instruct Europeans on the criminal justice system.
Agreed, glad to see Clive |Stafford Smith has had some more success........  amazing guy.  :)

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I once knew a chicken. It was called Hattie. The only way I could stop it making a fearful noise was by singing it to sleep. What I couldn't prevent was the copious amount of sh-one-t it left everywhere.






What goes in one end has to come out the other unfortunately.  :)) ( Been watching the rugby,what a match ) beats football any day.

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What goes in one end has to come out the other unfortunately.  :)) ( Been watching the rugby,what a match ) beats football any day.

Think we're back to buckets of blood again here Lookout :D :D :D

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It never ceases to amaze me, what lengths the police and their experts went to, to make out the case that it was Sheila's blood in the sound moderator, and that it got there at the time she was shot and killed. In particular, that the baffle plates were separated by 'Ron' Cook, before he sent the moderator to the lab', as depicted in his photographs which he sent to the ballistic expert, Malcolm Fletcher, along with the sound moderator, and the anshuzt rifle, on the 30th August 1985. Anyone who claims 'Ron' Cook did not take such photographs, and that he did not dismantle the moderator, rebuild it, and screw the rebuilt moderator onto the barrel of the anshuzt rifle prior to these items both being sent to the lab' on the aforementioned occasions, need to check their facts, because there is no doubt that 'Ron' Cook did perform these exercises, and he took photographs, which he later sent to the ballistic expert, as described by me. He did do what I say he did, and records exist to confirm it in the form of his hand written notes...

On that footing, he found no blood at all on the baffles, which can be seen to have been separated in the photographs he took. The jaws of these baffles were downward facing when he removed them from the moderator on that occasion. Check the images for confirmation of this by reference to his photographs, which formed part of 'THE SENIOR INVESTIGATING OFFICERS ALBUM' (581 images) that ACC Peter Simpson kept locked away under lock and key in his office safe, deliberately kept from prying eyes of Bambers legal team. Only 223 of the 581 photographs were offered for viewing, these 223 photographs formed part of the so called (created for the purpose of deception) 'MASTER COPY ALBUM'...

The jaws of the baffles were 'DOWNWARD FACING' from the muzzle end of the knurled end of the silencer, which for simple reference purposes I shall refer to as the top end of the moderator. it is rather telling, that on or by the 10th September 1985, when Fletcher, and Hayward, dismantled the so called same silencer and found a substantial amount of blood on some of the baffle plates, that these claims were not, are not supported by diagrammatic views, or photographs. At least, not until May 1986, when Glynis Howard, produced a diagrammatic view showing the distance with which blood had penetrated the depth inside the baffle plates at that stage (May 1986). But rather interestingly, by that stage (May, 1986) the jaws of the individual baffle plates were upward facing in the direction of the muzzle end of the same moderator...

This can be proven by reference to 'Ron' Cooks, photographs (August 1985), and Glynis Howards diagram (May 1986) showing the numbered baffles upon which blood group activity was detected...

Somebody altered the position of the baffle plates inside the moderator, after 'Ron' Cook dismantled the moderator in August 1985, when the jaws of the baffle plates were downward facing, so that they were the other way around, by the time Glynis Howard examined the baffle plates and carried out blood grouping tests, on the altered positional baffles, in May 1986...

Go ahead, compare the position of the jaws of the moderators baffle plates between August 1985, and May 1986, by reference to 'Ron' Cooks photo', and Glynis Howards, diagram...
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Offline mike tesko

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By altering the direction with which the jaws of the baffle plates were facing, distinct as they were set in August 1985, as opposed to May, 1986, it allows the ballistic expert, Malcolm Fletcher, to introduce his phenomena of backspatter. All it took was a switch around of the position of the jaws of the baffle plates from downward facing as of August 1985, to upward facing by 29th May 1986...

Nothing could be any clearer...
« Last Edit: October 31, 2015, 08:27:PM by mike tesko »
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

Offline mike tesko

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I do not suffer fools, gladly...
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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Tell you what, lets put the jaws of the baffle plates, back into their original position, as shown in the Cook photographs, jaws facing downward in the direction of the bottom end of the moderator...
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"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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Tell you what, lets put the jaws of the baffle plates, back into their original position, as shown in the Cook photographs, jaws facing downward in the direction of the bottom end of the moderator...

This then transfers the bloodstained baffle plates to the bottom end of the silencer, or in other words, the 8 baffle plates closest to the muzzle of the anshuzt rifles barrel. with the 8 blood contaminated baffle plates in this position, Malcolm Fletchers backspatter theory could not possibly apply...

Think carefully about it...
« Last Edit: October 31, 2015, 08:41:PM by mike tesko »
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Fuck Fletchers theory of backspatter, fuck the prosecutions case, fuck Essex police, fuck the judiciary, a mans liberty hangs in the balance depending upon what the truth of this matter was, and turns out to be...
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...