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Funny then, how Ralph and Brigadier Powell appear together in the same photographs taken decades before the shootings at whf, and that others in the same photographs have all died in very similar circumstances, as per GDS theory...

Decades plural means more than 1 decade so at minimum more than 20 years prior so at minimum 1966.

1960 becomes a USAF officer and earns his pilot wings
1961-64 went through fighter training in California
1964 assigned to 80th Fighter Squadron flying F-105s- stationed in Japan
1964-65 80th temporarily based in Thailand flew missions over Vietnam
1965 Unit relocated to Japan
1967 Unit selected to transition to F-4 Phantoms instead of learning to fly the Phantom he left the unit to go to school to become a test pilot
1968 Graduates from test pilot school

When did they take a photo together


 
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You just keep making up more and more nonsense. If Police had recovered bullets fired by AP's rifle and tested them ballistically such would have been in a report and there would not have needed to be any examination of his rifle because they already would have the rifling characteristics based on the bullets.

Making up things as you go along hurts your credibility, you never learn your lesson.

AP's rifle had either 6 or 12 lands and grooves depending upon whether it was one of the 1970s microgrooved experiments which had 12 microgrooves.

The Anschutz had 8 lands and grooves.  These lands and grooves were more narrow than the 6 lands and grooves used in BRNO barrels BUT were less shallow and thicker than the microgoves.

None of the murder bullets fit the profile of either type of BRNO barrel. The BRNO wasn't at the scene and even when it was left there could not be used by those at WHF because AP took the bolt with him.  The killer used the Anschutz to shoot everyone.
Not all the recovered bullets had 8 lands and grooves present upon them, some had none. This being the case, it was not possible to say with certainty, that at least 10 of the 25 bullets fired could not be linked positively to either the anshutz or the bruno rifles. Colp established that the bruno rifle could not have fired any of the 15 bullets ballistically matched to the anshuzt
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Not all the recovered bullets had 8 lands and grooves present upon them, some had none. This being the case, it was not possible to say with certainty, that at least 10 of the 25 bullets fired could not be linked positively to either the anshutz or the bruno rifles. Colp established that the bruno rifle could not have fired any of the 15 bullets ballistically matched to the anshuzt

Bullets frequently have too much damage to be able to tell the number of lands and grooves.  Other times there are a sufficent number/quality to be able to extrapolate.  When this is not possible the evidence that has to be relied upon is the casings and circumstantial evidence.

The casings all were tied to the Anschutz.  The Anschutz was the only 22LR weapon at the scene. The bullets that lacked enough lands and grooves to match were clearly fired in the middle of rounds that were matched.  All of this taken together leaves no doubt the Anschutz fired all the shots.


 
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Bullets frequently have too much damage to be able to tell the number of lands and grooves.  Other times there are a sufficent number/quality to be able to extrapolate.  When this is not possible the evidence that has to be relied upon is the casings and circumstantial evidence.

The casings all were tied to the Anschutz.  The Anschutz was the only 22LR weapon at the scene. The bullets that lacked enough lands and grooves to match were clearly fired in the middle of rounds that were matched.  All of this taken together leaves no doubt the Anschutz fired all the shots.

Not true, there were 10 bullets that could not be positively linked as having been fired via the anshultz rifle,  which were fired in AP's .22 Bruno rifle. Bullet cases which eventually formed of 25 empty cartridge cases associated with the shootings, were substituted to give the impression that all 25 bullets had been fired via the same rifle. The absolute truth was / is that this configuration of 25 cases had in fact at one stage or another all been fired via the anshuzt rifle, but not all fired through it at the time of the shooting of the 5 victims, some were, others were fired via the anshuzt during an unreported test fire of the gun later on. None of the 25 cases which eventually formed part of the batch of crime scene ammunition showed any evidence at all that any of them had been fired in the anshuzt rifle whilst a silencer was attached to the barrel of that gun (see Mallinson Report). Therefore, there was an anomaly between the 25 bullets presented as being the 25 bullets used in the shootings, and the 25 empty cases. This anomaly, shows up as there being 10 bullets which could not positively be linked or associated as having been fired at all via the .22 anshuzt rifle, and none of the 25 bullet cases showing any signs of having been fired through the anshuzt rifle with a silencer attached to the end of its barrel. The ballistics evidence was dodgy, is dodgy and was fabricated with the intent of trying to make this tragedy into a one gun crime, when it certainly was not...
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Not true, there were 10 bullets that could not be positively linked as having been fired via the anshultz rifle,  which were fired in AP's .22 Bruno rifle. Bullet cases which eventually formed of 25 empty cartridge cases associated with the shootings, were substituted to give the impression that all 25 bullets had been fired via the same rifle. The absolute truth was / is that this configuration of 25 cases had in fact at one stage or another all been fired via the anshuzt rifle, but not all fired through it at the time of the shooting of the 5 victims, some were, others were fired via the anshuzt during an unreported test fire of the gun later on. None of the 25 cases which eventually formed part of the batch of crime scene ammunition showed any evidence at all that any of them had been fired in the anshuzt rifle whilst a silencer was attached to the barrel of that gun (see Mallinson Report). Therefore, there was an anomaly between the 25 bullets presented as being the 25 bullets used in the shootings, and the 25 empty cases. This anomaly, shows up as there being 10 bullets which could not positively be linked or associated as having been fired at all via the .22 anshuzt rifle, and none of the 25 bullet cases showing any signs of having been fired through the anshuzt rifle with a silencer attached to the end of its barrel. The ballistics evidence was dodgy, is dodgy and was fabricated with the intent of trying to make this tragedy into a one gun crime, when it certainly was not...

None of the 25 bullets, could be ballistically matched as having been part of, or attached at one time or another, to any of the 25 cartridge cases, by way of scientic evidence. What I am referring to, is that any criming marks imposed at the manufacturing stage of the round could be matched to corresponding crimping marks on any of the bulleta and cases...

There is an additional problem regarding the type of ammunition that the gun dealer supplied to Ralph Bamber, in that Radcliffe made one version of his witness statement claiming that the 500 rounds he sold to Ralph Bamber on the 24th November 1984, were possibly of Winchester manufactured, or Eley...
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The ballistic evidence in this case, was like a bomb waiting to explode - none of the individual 25 bullets, could be matched or linked or associated with any single example of the batch of crime scene cartridge cases, by reliance upon crimping or manufacturing markings, in the manufacturing process, or the chemical make up of the explosive charge for the same ammunition manufacturer. What we are dealing with here is a cover up of gigantic proportion. I have painstakingly reconstructed what the police did, to make this into a one gun crime, which I will provide evidence of in the coming posts, no stone will be left unturned...
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Not true, there were 10 bullets that could not be positively linked as having been fired via the anshultz rifle,  which were fired in AP's .22 Bruno rifle. Bullet cases which eventually formed of 25 empty cartridge cases associated with the shootings, were substituted to give the impression that all 25 bullets had been fired via the same rifle. The absolute truth was / is that this configuration of 25 cases had in fact at one stage or another all been fired via the anshuzt rifle, but not all fired through it at the time of the shooting of the 5 victims, some were, others were fired via the anshuzt during an unreported test fire of the gun later on. None of the 25 cases which eventually formed part of the batch of crime scene ammunition showed any evidence at all that any of them had been fired in the anshuzt rifle whilst a silencer was attached to the barrel of that gun (see Mallinson Report). Therefore, there was an anomaly between the 25 bullets presented as being the 25 bullets used in the shootings, and the 25 empty cases. This anomaly, shows up as there being 10 bullets which could not positively be linked or associated as having been fired at all via the .22 anshuzt rifle, and none of the 25 bullet cases showing any signs of having been fired through the anshuzt rifle with a silencer attached to the end of its barrel. The ballistics evidence was dodgy, is dodgy and was fabricated with the intent of trying to make this tragedy into a one gun crime, when it certainly was not...

All the Mallinson Report claims is that there is a way to tell whether bullets were fired with or without a moderator by looking at the cases.  He never claimed the cases were fro a different rifle.  He didn't analyze the cases so was unable to apply his theory to them.  His theory though is sheer nonsense and that is why ballistic experts would laugh him out of court if he actually tried making his claims in a court.

The 25 casings were all tied to the Anschutz, your fairytales about them being doctored etc are all just that- made up fantasies which is why you have zero evidence to prove it and thus make up fake evidence to pretend it happened.

Your suggestions that each and every bullet that lacked enough rifling marks to prove they were fired by the Anschutz were fired by a different weapon is ludicrous.  This ludicrous claim defines the laws of averages- every shot fired by the Anschutz could be matched but every bullet fired by a different weapon just so happened to be too damaged to be able to exclude or include weapons to having fired it.   

The yellow ones are the 10 bullets that could not be linked by rifling marks

Wounds suffered in Master Bedroom
June
PV/26 above right ear
DRH/35a lower neck (bullet exited into pillow)
DRH/35b forearm (bullet exited into pillow)
PV/24 right upper chest
PV/23 lower chest
DRH/9 knee (bullet exited into bed)
PV/25 between eyes

Nevill
PV/10 (lip)         
PV/11 (jaw)

PV/2  (Shoulder)
DRH/5 (Arm/chest Graze wound)

Sheila
upper wound (chin) PV/19
lower wound (neck) PV/20 

Gunshot wounds suffered in Kitchen
Nevill
PV/8 front of right ear/exit left ear but still in the body
PV/9 slightly above wound 1

PV/3 top of skull
PV/4 top of skull

Gunshot wounds suffered in bedroom twins were in
Nicholas
PV/30 left bridge of nose
PV/31 cheek
eyebrow (a large fragment of this bullet could not be recovered, it fragmented into small parts)

Daniel
PV/29
PV/34
PV/35
PV/36

DRH/36 (bullet exited and landed in bedroom)

The notion the killer used a different weapon that the Anschutz to fire the first shot into June as she was lying on her pillow, then switched to the Anschutz then after 4 shots with the Anschutz switched back to the other weapon is absurd. 

The killer didn't switch back and forth while firing the 4 master bedroom shots into Nevill either.  Nor did the killer use two weapons on Nevill in the kitchen after he was knocked unconscious the killer didn't shoot him in the head two times with the Anschutz then get another weapon and shoot him two more times.

The other 4 shots relate to the boys. It is pretty clear that 3 shots were fired in rapid succession from a single weapon at Nicholas and 5 shots in rapid succession from a single weapon at Daniel.  These realities are faced by the defense counsel which is why they didn't make the claims you keep making.

 
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All the Mallinson Report claims is that there is a way to tell whether bullets were fired with or without a moderator by looking at the cases. And, the ballistic expert in the instant case, Malcolm Fletcher, has gone on record as saying that he has been unable to find any ballistics evidence to confirm that any of the recovered bullet cases from the scene, have been fired through a silencer attached to the barrel of the anshuzt rifle. Mallinsons tests using .22 ammunition, fired with and without a silencer fitted to a variety of semi automatic rifles, establishes beyond doubt that if any of the 25 cases which formed part of the batch of crime scene ammunition had been fired and ejected from the anshuzt rifle at a time when a silencer was fitted to its barrel, that Fletcher would have found evidence of this in his examination of the same. The fact that Fletcher states he could find no such evidence that any of the 25 spent cartridge cases had been fired, impacted, and distorted by the additional dynamic forces in the rifle with a silencer fitted, is in complete contrast to the suggestion that her blood had entered the silencer at a time when the silencer was not only fitted to the barrel of the anshuzt rifle, but that after she had been shot with silencer and rifle so configured, that through a process of backspatter, and the muzzle of the silencer in a contact position, her blood had been forced back into the inside of the silencer, before somebody had removed the silencer and concealed it in a gun cupboard in another part of the farmhouse, which of course was then relied upon to suggest that with Sheila already dead, she could not have unscrewed the aforementioned silencer from the barrel of the anshuzt rifle and gone downstairs to hide it, before returning back upstairs to lay down dead with the silencerless rifle atop her body, seriously undermines the alternative argument    He never claimed the cases were fro a different rifle. What Mallinson argued, was that none of the 25 cases could have been ejected from the anshuzt rifle, which had had a silencer fitted to the end of its barrel, at the time Sheila had been killed, otherwise Fletcher would have found evidence of this in his examination... He didn't analyze the cases so was unable to apply his theory to them. You miss the point in your shallow approach, Mallinson believed that Fletcher must have applied the same principles outlined by Mallinson in his theory, and that Fletchers examination of the 25 spent cases showed no sign of bulging or distortion which would almost certainly have accompanied the use of the silencer with the rifle at the time Sheila was killed, or had died.. His theory though is sheer nonsense and that is why ballistic experts would laugh him out of court if he actually tried making his claims in a court. You watch your lousy mouth you yankee piece of donkey dung. You don't know what you are talking about, and for your information, a Home Office approved ballistic expert, 'RENSHAW' has agreed with the principles outlined by Mallinson as being authentic. His theory would not be laughed out of court, as you put it. Proof of this can be found in Malcolm Fletchers own conclusion that he could not find any evidence that any of the 25 bullets discharged during the tragedy had been fired with a silencer fitted to the barrel of the gun. So, eat your own words you hypocrite...

The 25 casings were all tied to the Anschutz, The 25 cases which ended up becoming the batch of crime scene ammunition, does not prove that each of these 25 cases had been fired during the tragedy, any of these 25 cases could have been, and were fired, and ejected via the mechanism of the anshuzt rifle at one stage or point, not necessarily at the time the victims were all killed, murdered, or a suicide... your fairytales about them being doctored etc are all just that- made up fantasies which is why you have zero evidence to prove it and thus make up fake evidence to pretend it happened.You are pathetic, I don't need to fake anything, all you can say is I lied, I lie, I falsify things, Etc, Etc, ETc, you are a worthless piece of peacock vomit, instead of responding by way of some sort of constructive manner, you resort to accusations, instead of evidence which contradicts that which I am saying. You are a clown, an Amercian Clown, nothing more, nothing less, you are full of bullshit...

Your suggestions that each and every bullet that lacked enough rifling marks to prove they were fired by the Anschutz were fired by a different weapon is ludicrous. No, Chummy, I am being honest about what I am saying... This ludicrous claim defines the laws of averages- every shot fired by the Anschutz could be matched I disagree, by reference to the available evidence what you are saying is a dishonest interpretation of the true facts... but every bullet fired by a different weapon just so happened to be too damaged to be able to exclude or include weapons to having fired it. If the silencer was loosely fitted to this other .22 bolt action rifle, all bullets fired through this second rifle would all be damaged, as per the known facts... 

The yellow ones are the 10 bullets Yippee...that could not be linked by rifling marks

Wounds suffered in Master Bedroom
June
PV/26 above right ear
DRH/35a lower neck (bullet exited into pillow)
DRH/35b forearm (bullet exited into pillow)
PV/24 right upper chest
PV/23 lower chest
DRH/9 knee (bullet exited into bed)
PV/25 between eyes

Nevill
PV/10 (lip)         
PV/11 (jaw)

PV/2  (Shoulder)
DRH/5 (Arm/chest Graze wound)

Sheila
upper wound (chin) PV/19
lower wound (neck) PV/20 

Gunshot wounds suffered in Kitchen
Nevill
PV/8 front of right ear/exit left ear but still in the body
PV/9 slightly above wound 1

PV/3 top of skull
PV/4 top of skull

Gunshot wounds suffered in bedroom twins were in
Nicholas
PV/30 left bridge of nose
PV/31 cheek
eyebrow (a large fragment of this bullet could not be recovered, it fragmented into small parts)

Daniel
PV/29
PV/34
PV/35
PV/36

DRH/36 (bullet exited and landed in bedroom)

The notion the killer used a different weapon that the Anschutz to fire the first shot into June as she was lying on her pillow, then switched to the Anschutz then after 4 shots with the Anschutz switched back to the other weapon is absurd. I have never suggested that this may have been the actual sequence of events, so please explain to everybody why you continue to attribute your thoughts, your sayings and ideas, as if what you say, what you said, are my words, you foolish American buffoon...

The killer didn't switch back and forth while firing the 4 master bedroom shots into Nevill either. Your interpretation of the order with which victims were shot has no way of being proven, you are being ridiculous, you do not even know the sequence with which shots were fired from one rifle or the other, so you seek to introduce a ridiculous scenario, which is comical... Nor did the killer use two weapons on Nevill in the kitchen after he was knocked unconscious the killer didn't shoot him in the head two times with the Anschutz then get another weapon and shoot him two more times. the bottom line is that you do not answer or respond properly to any of the points I raise. You are hellbent on trying to portray Jeremy as the killer, but Chummy you are so wrong...

The other 4 shots relate to the boys. It is pretty clear that 3 shots were fired in rapid succession from a single weapon at Nicholas and 5 shots in rapid succession from a single weapon at Daniel.  These realities are faced by the defense counsel which is why they didn't make the claims you keep making. How utterly amazing, that all the victims you have listed, were all shot by one or other of these 10 rounds which could not have been fired via the anshuzt rifle. A feature which supports the case for duplication of shots into each of the aforementioned victims? You are blinded by your desire to keep Jeremy at the forefront of your mind as the killer. This is where you foolishly make a fundamental error.  Since, there were not in reality only 10 bullets which could not be linked to the anshuzt rifle, there were in fact 11 in total, since bullet PV/20 was wrongly and incorrectly attributed as having been fired via the anshuzt rifle, when in fact it was fired via a police issue rifle. The ratio being therefore, as follows to the best of my knowledge and belief - Anshuzt rifle (14 shots fired), Bruno (10 shots fired) and police issue rifle (a single shot fired)

 
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And, the ballistic expert in the instant case, Malcolm Fletcher, has gone on record as saying that he has been unable to find any ballistics evidence to confirm that any of the recovered bullet cases from the scene, have been fired through a silencer attached to the barrel of the anshuzt rifle.

That is because there is no such thing as ballistic evidence that confirms whether or not a baffle moderator was used. It leaves no marks so it can neither be confirmed nor ruled out based on examination of the bullets.

There is no way to tell by looking at the casings either Mallinson is full of crap which is why his claims never went anywhere.  You can't cite a single book, or even journal article about examination of casings being able to reveal whether a moderator was used because there are none.  It is junk science.  Making up that people agree accomplishes nothing but that never stops you from making up things you lie like a rug.
 
The 25 cases which ended up becoming the batch of crime scene ammunition, does not prove that each of these 25 cases had been fired during the tragedy, any of these 25 cases could have been, and were fired, and ejected via the mechanism of the anshuzt rifle at one stage or point, not necessarily at the time the victims were all killed, murdered, or a suicide..

The police say these were the 25 collected from the murder scene and you have nothing at all to refute it.


You miss the point in your shallow approach, Mallinson believed that Fletcher must have applied the same principles outlined by Mallinson in his theory, and that Fletchers examination of the 25 spent cases showed no sign of bulging or distortion which would almost certainly have accompanied the use of the silencer with the rifle at the time Sheila was killed, or had died.

If Mallinson claimed that then he is an even bigger fool than he already seems for making up the nonsense about the casings bulging more when a moderator is used.  First of all he made the whole thing up so suggesting Fletcher would be aware and use this methodology is absurd.  Worse yet though, if Fletcher did believe in such horse shit and did apply such horse shit and did find no bulging then he would have said that there was evidence the moderator wasn't used.  That is what you are claiming he found.  His testimony wasn't that the moderator wasn't used.  It was that there was no way to tell whether it was used or not by looking at the ammunition and spent shells.  He said that other evidence like the blood in the moderator had to be used to establish it's use.  So either you lied and made up that Mallinson suggested this or he is an even more ignorant clown than he seems.   

You are pathetic, I don't need to fake anything, all you can say is I lied, I lie, I falsify things, Etc, Etc, ETc, you are a worthless piece of peacock vomit, instead of responding by way of some sort of constructive manner, you resort to accusations, instead of evidence which contradicts that which I am saying. You are a clown, an Amercian Clown, nothing more, nothing less, you are full of bullshit...

You do indeed lie all the time and post disproved nonsense all the time that is why you can never back up anything you say with evidence.  Anytime I point out you are lying or parroting lies/erroneous claims you swiped from others you are never able to produce evidence to prove me wrong.  You just repeat the same nonsense claims over again.

I have never suggested that this may have been the actual sequence of events, so please explain to everybody why you continue to attribute your thoughts, your sayings and ideas, as if what you say, what you said, are my words, you foolish American buffoon...

No one cares what you say, the evidence says that she was in bed for at least 4 of the 7 shots. 2 more shots were as she was either in the bed or in the process of getting out of bed. The 2 bullets that were not able to be matched to the Anschitz were a bullet definitely fired while she was in bed and a bullet fired as she was in bed or in the process of getting out of bed.  The killer didn't shoot her in the head and lower chest then switch to the Anschutz.

Nevill was shot 4 times in the bedroom all to his left profile as he was sitting on the bed or in the process of getting out of bed. The killer didn't use the Anschutz to shoot his shoulder and graze him and another to shoot his lip and jaw. 

Nevill was shot 4 times in the kitchen all after he was unconscious and all 4 in rapid succession.  The killer didn't use 2 shots form the Anschutz and 2 from another weapon.

The bottom line is that you do not answer or respond properly to any of the points I raise. You are hellbent on trying to portray Jeremy as the killer, but Chummy you are so wrong...

I refuted your babble you are either too dishonest to admit it or too stupid to recognize it.

How utterly amazing, that all the victims you have listed, were all shot by one or other of these 10 rounds which could not have been fired via the anshuzt rifle. A feature which supports the case for duplication of shots into each of the aforementioned victims? You are blinded by your desire to keep Jeremy at the forefront of your mind as the killer. This is where you foolishly make a fundamental error.  Since, there were not in reality only 10 bullets which could not be linked to the anshuzt rifle, there were in fact 11 in total, since bullet PV/20 was wrongly and incorrectly attributed as having been fired via the anshuzt rifle, when in fact it was fired via a police issue rifle. The ratio being therefore, as follows to the best of my knowledge and belief - Anshuzt rifle (14 shots fired), Bruno (10 shots fired) and police issue rifle (a single shot fired)

There is nothing amazing about the fact that bullets which stuck bone were damaged to such an extent that the rifling marks were no longer present. Your claim that because the rifling marks were not present this means they can't have been fired by the Anschutz is a lie.  The fact there were not the requisite number of rifling marks to make an identification means the Anschutz could neither be ruled out as firing those shots nor proven to have fired them.  Other evidence though proves it did fire these 10 shots as well as the 15 matched.

As for your made up nonsense about a police bullet being used on Sheila that is a perfect example of how you make up bull shit not me.  You already lost each and every debate we had on that issue.  What is your evidence?  You have none.

A) the 2 bullet wound was consistent with a 22LR wound not a high velocity 5.56mm wound
B) the fatal shot was delivered within seconds of the nonfatal shot that you claim was fired by police
C) the bullet recovered by Vanezis matched the xray
D) that bullet was definitely a 22LR slug not a 5.56mm
E) there were no fragments from a metal jacket found in Sheila nor did the bullets removed from Sheila have any metal jacket- the police rounds were not only substantially larger with 3 times the velocity of the 22LR rounds they also were jacketed.
F) Sheila's blood was already dry when she was declared dead and all the police say she was found dead in the bedroom on the floor when they entered- no police heard any shots fired.

You have ZILCH to refute this evidence you have nothing at all by way of a basis to assert that she was shot by police.  Since you have no evidence to refute this you will engage in another episode of simply tossing verbal insults at me instead of posing evidence to prove your allegations.   You have no evidence you just repeat the same allegations over and over.

   
   
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You ignore the evidence which is available now, at your peril. The Mallinson test was utilized by Home office ballistic expert, RENSHAW, who attended the armory at Birdwell, in the company of Ewen Smith, Mr Rivlin QC, myself, the gun dealer who owned the shooting club with its underground shooting ranges and other facilities. Your suggestion that the Mallinson test is all made up nonsense, demonstrates to me what sort of a fucking lunatic you the Yankee really is. I have said it before many times about you, and I will say it again, you wouldn't know the truth if it hit you bang smack in your face. You have an awful abnoxious attitude towards anyone who does not agree with everything you have got to say. Who the fuck do you think you are, GOD? The truth is you have a peanut for a brain, and in instances in this case, if somebody does not agree with your way of thinking, they are liars according to you, simply liars making up what you call nonsense. Well, for the record Yankee peanut brain, the principles alluded to in the Malinson Report are true. RENSHAW who is a Home office approved ballistic expert, agreed to the principles expounded by Mallinson, and indeed applied in physical tests on a variety of different manufactured types of .22 semi automatic rifles, firing test shots both with and without a silencer attached to each version of weapons used in the testing and analysing process. RENSHAW himself was head of Huntingdon forensic laboritary, at the time exhibits connected to this matter were examined between August 1985, and October 1986. For your information Yankee peanut brain, it was RENSHAW himself who brought the existence of the 14 cartridge cases still hald at the lab' under an exhibit reference of MDF/100 - RENSHAW it was who suggested that additional test firing of the same type of ammunition allegedly used in the killings of the 5 victims, with a silencer attached, and removed, and then comparing the spent cartridge cases from these proposed tests, to see if there was evidence of case bulging spoken about by Mallinson in his report, and if so, to compare the results obtained from these, against the 14 cartridge cases still being retained at the all these years later?
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That is because there is no such thing as ballistic evidence that confirms whether or not a baffle moderator was used. Yes, there is now... It leaves no marks so it can neither be confirmed nor ruled out based on examination of the bullets. Bullets are attached to the cartridge cases, by a crimping process, so any bulging associated with the firing of a round when a silencer is fitted to the barrel of a gun, is present upon the casing, not the bullet part of the round. Fletcher was unable to distinguish whether or not any of the 25 bullets fired during the shootings had been fired through a silencer, but he misled the court by claiming that, because he had been alerted by Ron Cook that the recovered silencer might be damaged, because test Bullets being fired through I were becoming damaged. With this in mind, Fletcher knew that many individual Bullets which formed part and parcel of the batch of crime scene Bullets, had in fact been damaged. Fletcher only listed 12 of the 25 crime scene Bullets as being whole in appearance. 9 other Bullets were described by him as nearly whole Bullets, so here were damaged Bullets. He further described another 3 Bullets as being fragments of bullet, and lastly another bullet he described as being half a bullet - all these Bullets could fall into the category of Bullets which had possibly been damaged as a result of being fired through a warped silencer. However, it should be noted, that 1 of the 12 whole Bullets was in fact bullet PV/20 which according to the X-ray evidence, was at the time it was still lodged inside Sheila's Beck, was a very badly damaged bullet which had broken into multiple small fragments, yet the 1 examined at the lab' by Fletcher he described as a whole bullet. So, somebody switched the badly fragmented bullet (PV/20), with a whole one, and the substituted bullet must have been test fired in the anshuzt rifle. Now, I do not need a Yankee with a peanut for a brain telling me that the original badly fragmented bullet (PV/20) was not switched at all, because it most certainly was. What is more, the presence of blood on the switched PV/20 test fired bullet, provides evidence that the lining of the anshuzt rifles barrel had been lined with blood, which could not have got there had the silencer been fitted at the time Sheila was shot and killed..

There is no way to tell by looking at the casings Yes, there is now... either Mallinson is full of crap which is why his claims never went anywhere. Jeremy did not have the necessary funds to pay RENSHAW to do the proposed tests... You can't cite a single book, or even journal article about examination of casings being able to reveal whether a moderator was used because there are none. That's your opinion...  It is junk science. no, its not... Making up that people agree accomplishes nothing I have not made anything up about anyone... but that never stops you from making up things you lie like a rug. you must have got a really long nose with all the bullshit you keep making up...
 
The police say these were the 25 collected from the murder scene, So, prey tell us all where do the 14 cases (MDF/100) held at the lab' fit into the grand scheme of things.. and you have nothing at all to refute it. I have all I need thank you very much, I don't require anything at all from the likes of you...


If Mallinson claimed that then he is an even bigger fool than he already seems for making up the nonsense about the casings bulging more when a moderator is used. it only applies with use of semi automatic weapons, and so the implications should be obvious. For example, a bullet fired via the semi automatic anshuzt rifle, with a silencer fitted, would produce distortion and bulging around the base of the spent and ejected casing, whereas, a similar bullet fired via the Bruno bolt action rifle with a silencer fitted, would not produce any additional distortion or bulging of the case.  First of all he made the whole thing up so suggesting Fletcher would be aware and use this methodology is absurd. Mallinson did not imply that Fletcher had knowledge of this technique, or that Fletcher had used the technique to show there was no bulging of any of the recovered cases from the scene...Worse yet though, if Fletcher did believe in such horse shit and did apply such horse shit and did find no bulging then he would have said that there was evidence the moderator wasn't used.  That No, he wouldn't, not if the silencer was fitted to the .22 bolt action rifle, because bulging and distortion of casings does not occur unless a semi automatic rifle is used... is what you are claiming he found. I am making the point that if the silencer was used on the semi automatic rifle there would have been distortion and bulging found on the cases of Bullets fired through a silencer fitted to that gun, but not the other... His testimony wasn't that the moderator wasn't used.  It was that there was no way to tell whether it was used or not by looking at the ammunition and spent shells. but that's the point, if the silencer had been fitted to the semi automatic anshuzt rifle when she was killed, there would have been the noticeable distortion and bulging on the extracted casings if any Bullets had been fired via a silencer fitted to the semi automatic rifle. No such noticeable distortion or bulging of any of the 25 casings gives clear indication that Sheila's blood did not get into the silencer as a result of it being fitted to the semi automatic rifle, for all the reasons given...  He said that other evidence like the blood in the moderator had to be used to establish it's use. Yes, but again you miss the point altogether. Since, if the silencer was used, and the blood in the silencer was in fact Sheila's blood, then the silencer had to have been fitted to a non semi automatic weapin, at the time she was shot and killed, because none of the 25 casings which formed the batch of crime scene ammunition, had any noticeable distortion or bulging on any of them. If there had been, Fletcher would have noticed it... So either you lied and made up that Mallinson suggested this or he is an even more ignorant clown than he seems. I made nothing up, and Keith Mallinson is no clown, but you certainly are...   

You do indeed lie all the time and post disproved nonsense all the time that is why you can never back up anything you say with evidence. I can back up everything I say Chummy, people of the likes of you cannot force me to prove anything, I will produce the evidence at a time of my own choosing...  Anytime I point out you are lying or parroting lies/erroneous claims you swiped the only thing I swiped, was the photograph of Sheila on the bed, but I thought you said I made that up, and that no such photograph exists, yet you are now saying I swiped things, what a funny character you are Chummy, you don't even know what you are saying one moment to the next... from others you are never able to produce evidence to prove me wrong. I am not interested in proving you wrong, every time you are wrong, your predicament isn't a miscarriage of justice, your guilty anyway of being a complete arsehole.  You just repeat the same nonsense claims over again. That's because it is the truth, if it were lies I'd give a different account every time. Your too thick though to recognise that fact...

No one cares what you say, the Except you... evidence says that she was in bed for at least 4 of the 7 shots. No, I don't accept that proposition, My opinion is that her body ended up laid on top of the bed, and that is how the bed sheet got stained with her blood.  2 more shots were as she was either in the bed or in the process of getting out of bed. The 2 bullets that were not able to be matched to the Anschitz were a bullet definitely fired while she was in bed and a bullet fired as she was in bed or in the process of getting out of bed.  The You are only speculating... killer didn't shoot her in the head and lower chest then switch to the Anschutz. You can't possibly know the sequence with which the 7 shots were inflicted into her body...

Nevill was shot 4 times in the bedroom all to his left profile as he was sitting on the bed or in the process of getting out of bed. Not true... The killer didn't use the Anschutz to shoot his shoulder and graze him and another to shoot his lip and jaw.  Again, you do not know the actual sequence he was shot in, its all speculation on your part...

Nevill was shot 4 times in the kitchen all after he was unconscious and all 4 in rapid succession.  The If at least 2 different weapons fired shots then they did... killer didn't use 2 shots form the Anschutz and 2 from another weapon.

I refuted your babble you are either too dishonest to admit it or too stupid to recognize it. Hark at pinochio,

There is nothing amazing about the fact that bullets which stuck bone were damaged to such an extent that the rifling marks were no longer present. Your claim that because the rifling marks were not present this means they can't have been fired by the Anschutz is a lie.  The I do not rely upon the criteria you are putting forward, so stop saying what I did, what I said, and why I say this and that, I can think for myself, I can act for myself, I don't need the likes of you a slime ball trying to put words into my mouth, you know nothing, you are prehistoric in your approach to everything you do and say... fact there were not the requisite number of rifling marks to make an identification means the Anschutz could neither be ruled out as firing those shots nor proven to have fired them. Chummy, some of the Bullets had wide lands and grooves, others didn't, same gun could not have fired all the Bullets...  Other evidence though proves it did fire these 10 shots as well as the 15 matched. There is no other evidence to prove anything of the sort, its a clear case of more than one weapon being used in the shootings...

As for your made up nonsense about a police bullet being used on Sheila that is a perfect example of how you make up bull shit not me. The original badly fragmented (PV/20) bullet, could not possibly have been the whole bullet examined by Fletcher after the 20th September 1985. The photograph of the bullet was taken by Major Mead when he visited the Lab' in May 1986...  You already lost each and every debate we had on that issue.  What You really are a Yankee bafoon, you have won none of the arguments, your a fucking lunatic... is your evidence?  You have none. I have lots of evidence, most of which you personally will never get to see, unless I take pity on the poor Yankee clown from across the pond...

A) the 2 bullet wound was consistent with a 22LR wound not a high velocity 5.56mm wound
B) the fatal shot was delivered within seconds of the nonfatal shot that you claim was fired by police
C) the bullet recovered by Vanezis matched the xray
D) that bullet was definitely a 22LR slug not a 5.56mm
E) there were no fragments from a metal jacket found in Sheila nor did the bullets removed from Sheila have any metal jacket- the police rounds were not only substantially larger with 3 times the velocity of the 22LR rounds they also were jacketed.
F) Sheila's blood was already dry when she was declared dead and all the police say she was found dead in the bedroom on the floor when they entered- no police heard any shots fired. these are only your opinions, not evidence...

You have ZILCH to refute this evidence you do not have any evidence to refute dumbo. . you have nothing at all by way of a basis to assert that she was shot by police. yes, Chummy I do... Since you have no evidence to refute this you will engage in another episode of simply tossing verbal insults at me Listen up Chummy, if anyone has been insulting anyone, you yourself are as guilty as fuck, you have no respect for anyone, you are an abnoxious self important rat from across the pond, a pond rat that's what you are. I am well within my rights to give you abuse in return for what you have dished out, and continue to dish out. I don't have to be nicey nicey to anyone like you instead of posing evidence to prove your allegations.   You have no evidence you just repeat the same allegations over and over. The truth will continue to be repeated...

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You ignore the evidence which is available now, at your peril. The Mallinson test was utilized by Home office ballistic expert, RENSHAW, who attended the armory at Birdwell, in the company of Ewen Smith, Mr Rivlin QC, myself, the gun dealer who owned the shooting club with its underground shooting ranges and other facilities. Your suggestion that the Mallinson test is all made up nonsense, demonstrates to me what sort of a fucking lunatic you the Yankee really is. I have said it before many times about you, and I will say it again, you wouldn't know the truth if it hit you bang smack in your face. You have an awful abnoxious attitude towards anyone who does not agree with everything you have got to say. Who the fuck do you think you are, GOD? The truth is you have a peanut for a brain, and in instances in this case, if somebody does not agree with your way of thinking, they are liars according to you, simply liars making up what you call nonsense. Well, for the record Yankee peanut brain, the principles alluded to in the Malinson Report are true. RENSHAW who is a Home office approved ballistic expert, agreed to the principles expounded by Mallinson, and indeed applied in physical tests on a variety of different manufactured types of .22 semi automatic rifles, firing test shots both with and without a silencer attached to each version of weapons used in the testing and analysing process. RENSHAW himself was head of Huntingdon forensic laboritary, at the time exhibits connected to this matter were examined between August 1985, and October 1986. For your information Yankee peanut brain, it was RENSHAW himself who brought the existence of the 14 cartridge cases still hald at the lab' under an exhibit reference of MDF/100 - RENSHAW it was who suggested that additional test firing of the same type of ammunition allegedly used in the killings of the 5 victims, with a silencer attached, and removed, and then comparing the spent cartridge cases from these proposed tests, to see if there was evidence of case bulging spoken about by Mallinson in his report, and if so, to compare the results obtained from these, against the 14 cartridge cases still being retained at the all these years later?

Mallinson's allegations that he could observe differences to casings fired by a rifle with a moderator and without are indeed nonsense.  That is why there are no publications recognizing such as being legitimate.

Frankly I don't believe you went to the Armory.  Rivlin was a judge in 2003 he would not be there on behalf of Jeremy. In all likelihood you found a document about Mallinson's nonsense claims and made up being present.  In any event his claims are just fairytales which is why they never went anywhere.

 
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I can back up everything I say Chummy, people of the likes of you cannot force me to prove anything, I will produce the evidence at a time of my own choosing... I am not interested in proving you wrong, every time you are wrong, your predicament isn't a miscarriage of justice, your guilty anyway of being a complete arsehole.

When someone claims they can back up their claims with evidence but choose not to do so it simply means they can't back up their claims and hope some fool will be willing to believe them anyway.  My mother didn't raise a fool.

The original badly fragmented (PV/20) bullet, could not possibly have been the whole bullet examined by Fletcher after the 20th September 1985. The photograph of the bullet was taken by Major Mead when he visited the Lab' in May 1986...

The bullet examined by Fletcher wasn't whole.  It was the same badly deformed bullet shown in the xray, that was removed by Vanezis and produced at trial.  It represented roughly 2/3 the weight of a complete bullet.  That missing third was in tiny pieces but the 2/3 was in one badly deformed piece labeled PV/20.

Yes, but again you miss the point altogether. Since, if the silencer was used, and the blood in the silencer was in fact Sheila's blood, then the silencer had to have been fitted to a non semi automatic weapin, at the time she was shot and killed, because none of the 25 casings which formed the batch of crime scene ammunition, had any noticeable distortion or bulging on any of them. If there had been, Fletcher would have noticed it...

This bulging nonsense is entirely made up. No bulges are observed in cases that are fired by guns with moderators.  At any rate you are out and out lying here.  Mallinson's report is posted.  he doesn't state that this bulging only happens in semi-autos he claims it happens in all weapons.  This is a perfect example of how you just make up any crap you feel like.

Chummy, some of the Bullets had wide lands and grooves, others didn't, same gun could not have fired all the Bullets...

This is more made up nonsense. There were no wide lands found.  Narrow lands means in relation to the grooves. Narrow lands means the lands are thinner than the grooves.  Some rifling will have lands and grooves of equal width. Some guns will have unequal widths.  The grooves of the murder weapon are wider than the lands.   

Some bullets had no rifling marks at all that could be observed while others had some land details but no groove details to check if they were more narrow than grooves.   You misrepresent those with no rifling or no grooves detected as having wide lands.

PV/9 and PV/10 had no rifling marks.  PV/11, PV/34, PV/35 and PV/36 all had very limited land details that could be seen but not enough to try to match to anything and no groove details to try to compare to the lands.

All the other bullets (except PV/5 which was simply a small fragment broken from PV/10 or 11 not an independent bullet) were marked 1 of the following:

1) matched the rifling of the Anschutz- which by definition means the lands were more narrow than the grooves

2) the lands were more narrow than the grooves

3) the grooves were bigger than the lands

4) NL which stands for lands more narrow than grooves

So as usual your claims totally fall apart on inspection.  This is why you refuse to post evidence in support of your claims- you can't.  Your cop-out that you simply choose not to do so is not fooling anybody.



 
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Mallinson's allegations that he could observe differences to casings fired by a rifle with a moderator and without are indeed nonsense.  That is why there are no publications recognizing such as being legitimate.

Frankly I don't believe you went to the Armory.  What a horrid abnoxious character you really are, of course I was present at the armoury on that occasion, you fucking idiot, my god, what a total waste of space the cretin that you are, is...Rivlin was a judge in 2003 he would not be there on behalf of Jeremy Rivlin was there, alright, alongside Ewen Smith, myself, Keith Mallinson, and the armoury / shooting range proprieter, Glen Smith. In all likelihood you found a document about Mallinson's nonsense claims and made up being present I have not made anything up...  In any event his claims are just fairytales They are not fairy tales, but factual and accurate...which is why they never went anywhere. Again, this line of enquiry was never pursued further at that stage because of (a) funding, and (b) because just afterwards, Jeremy disposed of Ewen Smiths services and set up with GDS...
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When someone claims they can back up their claims with evidence but choose not to do so it simply means they can't back up their claims and hope some fool will be willing to believe them anyway.  My mother didn't raise a fool.No, she raised a thoroughly xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxx that hates having to be wrong, but wrong you are, and a xxxxxx xxxxxxxxx character you also are, is...


The bullet examined by Fletcher wasn't whole. Fletcher described bullet PV/20 as whole, so why would another bird brain in your own likeness, describe a bullet as being whole, if in fact it was not whole? Are you for real? It was the same badly deformed bullet shown in the xray, that was removed by Vanezis and produced at trial. You are more stupid than I thought you were . are. The photograph of the bullet, is not a photograph of the bullet (PV/20) referred to by Fletcher, as being whole, but rather it is a photograph of the original badly fragmented bullet shown in the Xray, in a photograph taken by Major Mead in May 1986 - So, thanks for falling into that trap, intended to make you accept that the photograph of the bullet posted on this forum, was a photograph taken by Fletcher himself, ha, ha, ha, you xxxxxxxx xxxxxxx Major Mead took that photograph, not Fletcher, my god, what a complete fool you have just made of yourself. I think you had better crawl back into your hole until you recover your composure...  It represented roughly 2/3 the weight of a complete bullet. Yeah, so it defo' can't be mistaken for a whole bullet, like Fletcher describes the replacement one...  That missing third was in tiny pieces but the 2/3 was in one badly deformed piece labeled PV/20. There is no way Fletcher or anybody else would describe a bullet which is only 2/3rds of its original mass, as a whole bullet, but Fletcher does, and did...

This bulging nonsense is entirely made up.No, its not, its true and factual... No bulges are observed in cases that are fired by guns with moderators. Yes, there are, but this phenomena only occurs when rounds are fired through semi automatic weapons fitted with a silencer At any rate you are out and out lying here. No, I'm not lying, I don't tell lies, thats one thing I don't do, there's no purpose to be gained through lying, which is why I think you are a really strange person, who appears infatuated with the idea that everyone who does not agree with you must be is a liar... Mallinson's report is posted.  he doesn't state that this bulging only happens in semi-autos he claims it happens in all weapons.

He does not. There are a number of reports composed by Mallinson  This is a perfect example of how you just make up any crap you feel like. You are out of order..

This is more made up nonsense. There were no wide lands found. Read the individual general examination reports   Narrow lands means in relation to the grooves. Narrow lands means the lands are thinner than the grooves.  Some rifling will have lands and grooves of equal width. Some guns will have unequal widths.  The grooves of the murder weapon are wider than the lands. You should get your facts right about the ammunition before you start trying to give lectures. You still don't get it do you, the lands and grooves on some of the bullets in the batch of crime scene ammunition, were wider than in some of the other bullets in the same batch, now I wonder what that signifies? 

Some bullets had no rifling marks at all that could be observed while others had some land details but no groove details to check if they were more narrow than grooves.   You misrepresent those with no rifling or no grooves detected as having wide lands. So says you, the dark lord of deception...

PV/9 and PV/10 had no rifling marks.  PV/11, PV/34, PV/35 and PV/36 all had very limited land details that could be seen but not enough to try to match to anything and no groove details to try to compare to the lands.

All the other bullets (except PV/5 which was simply a small fragment broken from PV/10 or 11 not an independent bullet) were marked 1 of the following:

1) matched the rifling of the Anschutz- which by definition means the lands were more narrow than the grooves

2) the lands were more narrow than the grooves

3) the grooves were bigger than the lands

4) NL which stands for lands more narrow than grooves

So as usual your claims totally fall apart on inspection. According to your opinion, which is worth nothing, you have a history of making up things and distorting the truth. You are like the people who falsified the case against Jeremy, a xxxxxxx xxxxxxx xxxxxxxxl who thinks your something special, and everybody has got to agree with your opinion, no matter what it is. Everything you do and say with regards to this case is bias, in favour of guilt even when clear evidence exists to disprove what you are saying, that's because you have gone through your life searching for bad things to do and say about people... This is why you refuse to post evidence in support of your claims- you can't. I will decide what evidence I post up and when I post it, not you or anybody else. You are not in control of this forum, you are just an agitator whom I choose reluctantly to tolerate... Your cop-out that you simply choose not to do so is not fooling anybody. Good, then don't expect me to post any more evidence to support my beliefs or the truth, you will simply have to accept that I am telling the truth, because I don't lie like you do...
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