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Offline mike tesko

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You have not one shred of evidence correct, I have carrier bags full... so claiming there is no doubt is laughable. it's no laughing matter, so you laugh to yourself a lot then do you? Go to see your doctor he'll find you a good Consultant... There is no doubt only 1 moderator was at WHF at the time of the murders. no, there were two belonging to family members, and one brought to the scene by PS Woodcock (SBJ/1). This was the silencer Stan Jones returned to the scene to collect on 7th August 1985, I have already covered this point extensively...  There is nothing at all to refute the testimony of those involved that it was found by Boutflour in the closet and yes, there is, Ron Cooks confession made to the COLP investigators on Wednesday, the 25th September 1991, where he tells them that he personally looked and searched the very same gun cupboard on 7th August, inside which David Boutflour found the silencer 3 days afterwards. Surely even you can work it out that if it wasn't there on the 7th, that this magic silencer would hardly likely to have first been laying there if as it were a killer had wanted to conceal it in the first turned over to Jones on Aug 12.  You have nothing at all to contradict any of this.  Your claims that there is "no doubt" is just made up nonsense.  There is nothing at all to suggest Jones collected a moderator on Aug 7 the only moderator at the scene was found days later and there are no records at all of anyone collecting a moderator on Aug'  7 let alone Jones doing so.  Jones didn't collect any physical evidence on the day of the murders only the crime scene officers did so.



There was only 1 moderator at WHF during the murders

There was only 1 moderator at WHF to be collected.

There never was any moderator marked SJ/1  Cook was going to mark the Boutflour discovered moderator SJ/1 but learned Jones' full initials so used SBJ/1.

This is what the evidence proves.  Howard tested SBJ/1 she wrote it on her documentation.  You ignore this evidence and falsely claim Cook admitted he labeled it SJ/1 and then make up that there was another collected days earlier marked SBJ/1 though you have nothing to support this allegation it is just made up from thin air.  Despite having zero evidence you then announce there is no doubt this happened though there is really no doubt it is fictional. Sometimes you lie and claim police or the family saw AP's rifle at the scene with the moderator missing and us this in support of your claims but such lies don't amount to evidence they just hurt you because making up things reduces your credibility to zero.

Post for everyone what SBJ/2-4 are.  You keep claiming that these 3 objects were taken from WHF on Aug 7 along with the moderator.  Some things I have read suggest they were simply photos not objects physically taken from anywhere. In any event they were from a period subsequent to Aug 13 so it makes little sense to claim they were taken on Aug 7.  The things you make up are entirely worthless to Jeremy in a legal sense.  You seem to be out to just fool us and build yourself up to us though when you make up things it accomplishes the opposite.
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I have carrier bags full... there were two belonging to family members, and one brought to the scene by PS Woodcock (SBJ/1). This was the silencer Stan Jones returned to the scene to collect on 7th August 1985, I have already covered this point extensively...

Making allegations doesn't constitute evidence. You have zero evidence of Woodcock or any other police at the scene possessing a moderator.  You have failed to produce evidence that moderators belonging to the extended relatives were at WHF.  You make allegations simply without backing them up with any proof. 

yes, there is, Ron Cooks confession made to the COLP investigators on Wednesday, the 25th September 1991, where he tells them that he personally looked and searched the very same gun cupboard on 7th August, inside which David Boutflour found the silencer 3 days afterwards. Surely even you can work it out that if it wasn't there on the 7th, that this magic silencer would hardly likely to havefirst laying there if as it were a killer had wanted to conceal it in the first turned over to Jones on Aug 12.

He said he didn't look through the closet carefully and didn't see the moderator.  That doesn't prove it wasn't there.  If he said he took everything out of the box it was found in out and the moderator was not there then in that case you would be able to make the argument you are making, but he didn't suggest any such thing.
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Here is an extract, paragraph 13 of a CONFIDENTIAL REPORT, confirming that both the anshuzt rifle owned by Ralph Bamber, and the Bruno .22 bolt action rifle were found at the scene on the 7th August 1985:-
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With confirmation in the above extract that the two named rifles were found at the scene on 7th August 1985, we have to look at both witness statements, made by AP, one to Essex police where he maintains that his rifle was always kept at the scene, minus its bolt which he removed and took away with him so that no-one could fire it in his absence, or the second statement he made to the COLP investigators, where he claims the rifle belonging to him was not present at the scene on the night of the murders, but the contents of para' 13 of a 'Confidential Report', shows that AP has a propensity to say anything, true or false, about the whereabouts of his rifle and silencer at the material time...
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With confirmation in the above extract that the two named rifles were found at the scene on 7th August 1985, we have to look at both witness statements, made by AP, one to Essex police where he maintains that his rifle was always kept at the scene, minus its bolt which he removed and took away with him so that no-one could fire it in his absence, or the second statement he made to the COLP investigators, where he claims the rifle belonging to him was not present at the scene on the night of the murders, but the contents of para' 13 of a 'Confidential Report', shows that AP has a propensity to say anything, true or false, about the whereabouts of his rifle and silencer at the material time...

It doesn't state they were both found at the scene it says "the semi-automatic rifle found at the murder scene".  While I am not a native speaker in the Queen's English, American English is not that different grammatically.  Your spin doesn't work.

 
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It doesn't state they were both found at the scene it says "the semi-automatic rifle found at the murder scene".  While I am not a native speaker in the Queen's English, American English is not that different grammatically.  Your spin doesn't work.

Both rifles are spoken about in the same sentence, separated only by 2 commas...
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Why was DI Soames (Special Branch) and Brigadier Powell, (Brigadier General (BGEN) Cecil W. Powell, commander, 316th Air Division) involved in the Bamber investigation?

(1) - https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:F-16_replacing_F-4_Ramstein_Air_Base_1985.JPEG

(2) - http://www.af.mil/AboutUs/Biographies/Display/tabid/225/Article/105931/major-general-cecil-w-powell.aspx

(3) - http://murderpedia.org/male.B/b/bamber-jeremy.htm
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Why was DI Soames (Special Branch) and Brigadier Powell, (Brigadier General (BGEN) Cecil W. Powell, commander, 316th Air Division) involved in the Bamber investigation?

(1) - https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:F-16_replacing_F-4_Ramstein_Air_Base_1985.JPEG

(2) - http://www.af.mil/AboutUs/Biographies/Display/tabid/225/Article/105931/major-general-cecil-w-powell.aspx

(3) - http://murderpedia.org/male.B/b/bamber-jeremy.htm

They weren't involved in the investigation.  Soames was involved in ascertaining what wasn't used at trial so as to know what to get rid off because there is not enough room to store every item in every case forever.   

Powell wasn't involved in the case at all.

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They weren't involved in the investigation.  Soames was involved in ascertaining what wasn't used at trial so as to know what to get rid off because there is not enough room to store every item in every case forever.   

Powell wasn't involved in the case at all.

In particular, that Brigadier Powell used my name in this correspondance...

Chummy, don't insult my intelligence, Brigadier Powell is / was involved in this investigation, I have the letter from him to Essex police where he is raising merry hell, about Pargeters Bruno rifle being examined as part of the COLP investigations...
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The content of Brigadier Powell's letter to Essex police, suggests that by seizing the Pargeters rifle and subjecting it to testing, that police had not been entirely certain that all the 25 bullets had been fired through the anshuzt rifle...
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Both rifles are spoken about in the same sentence, separated only by 2 commas...

It doesn't state AP's rifle and Nevill's rifle both of which were found at the scene.  It says the murder weapon found at the scene.
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The content of Brigadier Powell's letter to Essex police, suggests that by seizing the Pargeters rifle and subjecting it to testing, that police had not been entirely certain that all the 25 bullets had been fired through the anshuzt rifle...

The police tested AP's rifle in 1991 to disprove allegations made by Jeremy.  But for his wild allegations they would not have asked for AP's rifle and moderator.  Powell played no role at all in the case.  Powell was only in Germany for a year.  He was based on Florida in 1986 and the following year was sent to New Mexico.  He retired in January 1990 well prior to Operation Desert Shield.  Powell was a civilian when police asked AP for his rifle and he voluntarily turned it over to them.


 
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The police tested AP's rifle in 1991 to disprove allegations made by Jeremy.  But for his wild allegations they would not have asked for AP's rifle and moderator.  Powell played no role at all in the case.  Powell was only in Germany for a year.  He was based on Florida in 1986 and the following year was sent to New Mexico.  He retired in January 1990 well prior to Operation Desert Shield.  Powell was a civilian when police asked AP for his rifle and he voluntarily turned it over to them.

AP had 6 years to alter the barrel of his rifle by using cleaning tools which left a different set of striation marks in the barrel of his bolt action rifle, than had been present on the night of the shootings. The tests were not carried out correctly, since none of the 50 / 60 rounds fired by PARGETER at the rear of the barn at whf on the penultimate week-end of the shootings, with use of his bolt action rifle, did not have markings on those compared against the test fired rounds from the 1991 tests, and the reason for that / this was because it would have shown that the lining of AP's rifle barrel had been dramatically changed in the intervening 6 years since the time of the shootings...
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AP had 6 years to alter the barrel of his rifle by using cleaning tools which left a different set of striation marks in the barrel of his bolt action rifle, than had been present on the night of the shootings. The tests were not carried out correctly, since none of the 50 / 60 rounds fired by PARGETER at the rear of the barn at whf on the penultimate week-end of the shootings, with use of his bolt action rifle, did not have markings on those compared against the test fired rounds from the 1991 tests, and the reason for that / this was because it would have shown that the lining of AP's rifle barrel had been dramatically changed in the intervening 6 years since the time of the shootings...

Funny then, how Ralph and Brigadier Powell appear together in the same photographs taken decades before the shootings at whf, and that others in the same photographs have all died in very similar circumstances, as per GDS theory...
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AP had 6 years to alter the barrel of his rifle by using cleaning tools which left a different set of striation marks in the barrel of his bolt action rifle, than had been present on the night of the shootings. The tests were not carried out correctly, since none of the 50 / 60 rounds fired by PARGETER at the rear of the barn at whf on the penultimate week-end of the shootings, with use of his bolt action rifle, did not have markings on those compared against the test fired rounds from the 1991 tests, and the reason for that / this was because it would have shown that the lining of AP's rifle barrel had been dramatically changed in the intervening 6 years since the time of the shootings...

You just keep making up more and more nonsense. If Police had recovered bullets fired by AP's rifle and tested them ballistically such would have been in a report and there would not have needed to be any examination of his rifle because they already would have the rifling characteristics based on the bullets.

Making up things as you go along hurts your credibility, you never learn your lesson.

AP's rifle had either 6 or 12 lands and grooves depending upon whether it was one of the 1970s microgrooved experiments which had 12 microgrooves.

The Anschutz had 8 lands and grooves.  These lands and grooves were more narrow than the 6 lands and grooves used in BRNO barrels BUT were less shallow and thicker than the microgoves.

None of the murder bullets fit the profile of either type of BRNO barrel. The BRNO wasn't at the scene and even when it was left there could not be used by those at WHF because AP took the bolt with him.  The killer used the Anschutz to shoot everyone.

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