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Offline scipio_usmc

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Re: Ending the SJ/1 nonsense once and for all
« Reply #270 on: July 02, 2015, 04:24:PM »
I guess that would be down to personal choice, you don't to have to remove it to put it away and Jeremy's claim that it didn't fit in the cupboard when the silencer was attached, turned out not to be true.

And after he was called on this false claim he compounded it with another lie- that it didn't fit in its case with the accessories attache.  Nevill never bought a hard case for it like AP had purchased for his rifle.  So there was no case.  This was brought out in trial testimony discussing how no one ever saw a case, no one found a case and the gun dealer didn't sell Nevill any case. 

After the case claim fell apart and he was told that the last known user said it was put away with the scope and moderator attached then Jeremy made up the claim he and Nevill used it repeatedly the week before the murders and claimed during this period of time Nevill sometimes took the scope and moderator off before putting it away and other times left them on. Prior to police confronting him about being the last known user, Jeremy claimed he had not used it for more than a week before the murders thus his own testimony helped establish AP was the last known user.  He changed his story and did so for a very transparent reason.  Nevill was not known to remove the scope and had no reason to do so thus the claim he repeatedly did so is not credible. Similarly there was no reason to remove the moderator.  Yes it screws on and off but you don't waste time screwing something on and removing without a reason.  The only reason to remove it would be to clean the gun barrel which probably was never cleaned since it was purchased given the buildup. Only about 150 rounds had been fired in the weapon prior to the murders. If one takes into account the target shooting Jeremy periodically did with it in the barn to get accustomed to it and those fired by AP for target shooting that means few if any rounds were fired in any other context.

Jeremy's suggestion it was used constantly holds no water which explains the near pristine condition AP found the rifle in.

I have never seen any Jeremy supporters put forth anything to explain innocently why he lied about these things or to deal with the evidence that proves he lied about leaving the gun out at all.  He staged the bullets in the kitchen after the murders.  The only way for those bullets ot have been placed there before the murders as he claimed would be if the killer decided to use 20 bullets from that supply and then decided to go get 5 more from the closet rather than continuing to use that supply.  Such makes no sense though.

   

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Re: Ending the SJ/1 nonsense once and for all
« Reply #271 on: July 02, 2015, 04:25:PM »

But he threw in little oddments such as her just coming out of hospital and having been diagnosed as a PS/depressive(?). I would call that as close to implicating her as makes no difference and I think you're playing semantics here.






I'm sorry,but if your life depended on mentioning that a relative had a mental illness,you'd say something or would you take it on the chin knowing that you were the innocent one,acting all infra-dig ? I doubt it. Not that it made any difference to JB for having told them as much information as he could.
The case was twisted beyond all recognition,making out that schizophrenics don't kill ( without medication ) except that NOBODY knew that bit.

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« Reply #272 on: July 02, 2015, 04:27:PM »





He didn't " implicate " Sheila as such. He'd explained that she " wasn't well ",in his own words because he didn't know exactly what was wrong with her. It was obviously part of his interpretation relating to his father's call,as nobody who's normal threatens their family with a gun/rifle.
Anyone would have mentioned about Sheila,but it doesn't equate to implicating her. It's however you WANT to believe it.

Oh, yes he did Lookout. He said she was a nutter that she knew how to use the weapons and that his father has said 'Sheila has gone crazy, she's go the gun'. Orchestrated from the off.
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Re: Ending the SJ/1 nonsense once and for all
« Reply #273 on: July 02, 2015, 04:28:PM »
when the relatives handed the silencer in there must have been some record made of weather there was blood on the outside or not.

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« Reply #274 on: July 02, 2015, 04:31:PM »
Oh, yes he did Lookout. He said she was a nutter that she knew how to use the weapons and that his father has said 'Sheila has gone crazy, she's go the gun'. Orchestrated from the off.






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« Reply #275 on: July 02, 2015, 04:32:PM »
Oh, yes he did Lookout. He said she was a nutter that she knew how to use the weapons and that his father has said 'Sheila has gone crazy, she's go the gun'. Orchestrated from the off.

From the moment he called the police from his cottage to arriving outside the farm, all his words did was implicate Sheila - and that's the case whether he is guilty or innocent.

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« Reply #276 on: July 02, 2015, 04:33:PM »





Maybe in your mind------------but not in mine.

I'm aware that you don't agree Lookout.
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« Reply #277 on: July 02, 2015, 04:33:PM »
From the moment he called the police from his cottage to arriving outside the farm, all his words did was implicate Sheila - and that's the case whether he is guilty or innocent.

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Re: Ending the SJ/1 nonsense once and for all
« Reply #278 on: July 02, 2015, 04:41:PM »





I'm sorry,but if your life depended on mentioning that a relative had a mental illness,you'd say something or would you take it on the chin knowing that you were the innocent one,acting all infra-dig ? I doubt it. Not that it made any difference to JB for having told them as much information as he could.
The case was twisted beyond all recognition,making out that schizophrenics don't kill ( without medication ) except that NOBODY knew that bit.



But he threw in little oddments such as her just coming out of hospital and having been diagnosed as a PS/depressive(?). I would call that as close to implicating her as makes no difference and I think you're playing semantics here.





He didn't " implicate " Sheila as such. He'd explained that she " wasn't well ",in his own words because he didn't know exactly what was wrong with her. It was obviously part of his interpretation relating to his father's call,as nobody who's normal threatens their family with a gun/rifle.
Anyone would have mentioned about Sheila,but it doesn't equate to implicating her. It's however you WANT to believe it.


OK. so I've got the posts in the wrong order. YOU said Jeremy didn't implicate Sheila. I gave examples of where he did. YOU then make excuses for why he did. Call it what you like, Lookout, ie suggestion by osmosis, subliminal messaging, implicit suggestions or good old fashioned implication. It all amounts to the same thing which was a lot more damning than just saying she wasn't well.

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Re: Ending the SJ/1 nonsense once and for all
« Reply #279 on: July 02, 2015, 04:45:PM »
 He'd have said it to alert the police because of the various guns/rifles which were kept at the premises.
What if he hadn't have said anything and they'd been met with someone firing from the bedroom window ? He'd have been held over the coals for not letting on. Either way,he couldn't win against those who wanted to see the back of him.

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« Reply #280 on: July 02, 2015, 04:47:PM »
He'd have said it to alert the police because of the various guns/rifles which were kept at the premises.
What if he hadn't have said anything and they'd been met with someone firing from the bedroom window ? He'd have been held over the coals for not letting on. Either way,he couldn't win against those who wanted to see the back of him.


The deceased don't fire guns, Lookout..................other than in horror movies.

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« Reply #281 on: July 02, 2015, 04:51:PM »

The deceased don't fire guns, Lookout..................other than in horror movies.






So you knew she was dead too ? What time had she been killed ?

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« Reply #282 on: July 02, 2015, 05:03:PM »





So you knew she was dead too ? What time had she been killed ?

'COURSE I didn't.........................but Jeremy did.

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Re: Ending the SJ/1 nonsense once and for all
« Reply #283 on: July 02, 2015, 05:18:PM »
establishing weather the relatives are telling the truth about the silencer should be easy there should be a record of what was on the outside when it was handed in.

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« Reply #284 on: July 02, 2015, 05:20:PM »
establishing weather the relatives are telling the truth about the silencer should be easy there should be a record of what was on the outside when it was handed in.


??? On the outside of what, Nugs ???