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Re: Ending the SJ/1 nonsense once and for all
« Reply #255 on: July 02, 2015, 12:07:PM »
Really ? It must be easy to put off and on then.

I wonder why Jeremy didn't put it on before going to shoot rabbits.

It is easy, it screws on and off.
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« Reply #256 on: July 02, 2015, 12:07:PM »
Yes, I have to admit that I also find this reasoning weak. You simply need to unscrew it to remove it. However, he also said the sights were attached and people have said they are tricky to refit once removed. I did ask Jeremy if he removed them and he said no, he thought that perhaps his father had  in order to clean the rifle. I don't think Jeremy would have needed either the silencer or sights to commit the murders.

Clean the rifle ? Wasn't it quite new ?

Perhaps Neville had been rolling around with it commando style shooting rabbits as well.
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« Reply #257 on: July 02, 2015, 12:08:PM »
I guess that would be down to personal choice, you don't to have to remove it to put it away and Jeremy's claim that it didn't fit in the cupboard when the silencer was attached, turned out not to be true.

Why would Jeremy say that if it wasn't true ?
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« Reply #258 on: July 02, 2015, 12:10:PM »
Really ? It must be easy to put off and on then.

I wonder why Jeremy didn't put it on before going to shoot rabbits.

yes for somone who does it every day it is easy.

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« Reply #259 on: July 02, 2015, 12:12:PM »
It is easy, it screws on and off.

If you don't include the sights.

Why didn't he put it on before going to shoot rabbits then ?

Either way Jeremy is in a poor situation. He is relying on people believing that the silencer was taken off in the short period between AP seeing the rifle and the massacre.

He is then relying on people believing he would go out to shoot rabbits without the silencer attached.

Lots of 'curious coincidences'.
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« Reply #260 on: July 02, 2015, 12:22:PM »
My post 228 shows that everything fits with the silencer.

Hopefully the sources of the relatives differences in statements will be supplied. There would have to be big differences to negate everything else.
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« Reply #261 on: July 02, 2015, 12:27:PM »
if the defendant had changed his story that many times you would be all over him.

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« Reply #262 on: July 02, 2015, 12:30:PM »
My post 228 shows that everything fits with the silencer.

Hopefully the sources of the relatives differences in statements will be supplied. There would have to be big differences to negate everything else.

You have serious issues!!
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« Reply #263 on: July 02, 2015, 01:29:PM »
if the defendant had changed his story that many times you would be all over him.

He has.

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« Reply #264 on: July 02, 2015, 01:41:PM »
He has.


One hopes that with treatment an improvement will be seen.

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« Reply #265 on: July 02, 2015, 02:53:PM »
He has.

so a witnes should surely be given the same treatment.

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« Reply #266 on: July 02, 2015, 03:14:PM »
so a witnes should surely be given the same treatment.

Have the relatives changed their statements ?

I thought there were just minor differences between different peoples statements. Unless shown otherwise.

Apart from BW who changed to saying she saw the blood on the silencer, decades later. But she has never been accused of being in on any frame up.
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« Reply #267 on: July 02, 2015, 04:05:PM »
when your puting a gun away you take the silencer off genrally.

You make up as many bogus claims and excuses as Mike.  The users normally (and testimony suggested always not just normally) left the moderator on the weapon when putting it away.

Jeremy made up that it could not fit in the closet with the accessories attached.  After police were told by the family that this is a lie then he changed to claiming it could not fit in a gun case with the accessories on. Nevill didn't purchase a gun case though so no gun case was found at WHF.  He didn't purchase a case like AP had for his rifle. So Jeremy got caught in two different lies and the only reason to tell these lies was to pretend he would have found the gun without the scope and moderator attached like he claimed.

The last known user of the gun was AP who said the gun had the scope and moderator attached when he found it in the closet and was put away with the scope and moderator attached.  During Jeremys interrogation he stated he last used it a week to fortnight before the murders leaving AP as the last known user. Upon them confronting him with what AP said about how he put it away, Jeremy changed his story and claimed he and Nevill repeatedly used it the week before the murders and sometime she found it with the scope and mdoerator attache dother times they had been reoved and he claiemd Nevill was the one removing them.

So Jeremy got caught lying about the gun not fitting in the closet, lying about it not fitting in a nonexistent case and lied about Nevill repeatedly removing the scope not just the moderator the week before the murders. He also got caught lying about leaving the gun and ammunition out, he left too many bullets out for his claim to be true.

Why would he lie about leaving the gun and bullets out period let alone lie and say the gun had no moderator and scope when he found it and left it out in such condition?

He clearly lied in order to:

1) pretend Sheila found a weapon of opportunity to use
2) pretend that the magazine was already loaded so that Nevill could not simply take the weapon away as she loaded the magazine which requires 2 hands so she could not have also kept control of the rifle
3) pretend there was extra ammunition so she would not have to go search for any
4) pretend the scope was not attached when the gun was found because Jeremy didn't want anyone to know he removed it himself in anticipation of the murders.  The only reason to remove it would be if one were going to shoot at close quarters in which case the scope would get int he way of accurate aiming.  He didn't want police to know he removed it in anticipation of the murders because that helps give away he committed the murders.  So he made up the lies that it was frequently removed after use and had not been attached when he picked up the gun. Sheila taking the time to remove it certainly would not be consistent with her going crazy and simply grabbing a weapon of opportunity, but he didn't want to leave it on because it would have inhibited accurate shooting so he made up the claim he left the gun out and that the scope wasn't attached when he picked it up.
5) pretend the gun didn't have the moderator attached when he found it and left it out without it because he didn't want police to know the moderator was used.  He removed it after the murders and put it away in order to pretend that it wasn't used and lied about it not having the moderator attached so they would not think it had been attached.

These lies are not lies an innocent man would make up only a guilty one who wanted to conceal that he removed the scope in anticipation of the murders and hid the moderator after carrying out the murders and only the murderer would be in position to stage bullets in the kitchen after the murders to support the bogus story he ended up telling about leaving the gun out.

The prosecution didn't stress these lies to the jury for their health they stressed these lies because they prove Jeremy's guilt.

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Re: Ending the SJ/1 nonsense once and for all
« Reply #268 on: July 02, 2015, 04:08:PM »
It is also quite well known that some offenders like to get involved with the investigation to help lead the police away from themselves. Jeremy implicated Sheila in this way from the start.






He didn't " implicate " Sheila as such. He'd explained that she " wasn't well ",in his own words because he didn't know exactly what was wrong with her. It was obviously part of his interpretation relating to his father's call,as nobody who's normal threatens their family with a gun/rifle.
Anyone would have mentioned about Sheila,but it doesn't equate to implicating her. It's however you WANT to believe it.

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« Reply #269 on: July 02, 2015, 04:14:PM »





He didn't " implicate " Sheila as such. He'd explained that she " wasn't well ",in his own words because he didn't know exactly what was wrong with her. It was obviously part of his interpretation relating to his father's call,as nobody who's normal threatens their family with a gun/rifle.
Anyone would have mentioned about Sheila,but it doesn't equate to implicating her. It's however you WANT to believe it.


But he threw in little oddments such as her just coming out of hospital and having been diagnosed as a PS/depressive(?). I would call that as close to implicating her as makes no difference and I think you're playing semantics here.