Ending the SJ/1 nonsense once and for all

[maggie]

I've got a feeling you'll be repeating this alot. 

If they had taken the silencer or any of the weapons at that stage, I am sure a mountain would be made out of that too. Can't do right for wrong really.

I see nothing strange or suspicious about leaving something they weren't looking for.

I was talking about finding a silencer with a blob of jam on the end, scratched with red paint and a hair attached as a Eureka moment not just a silencer in a box in a gun cupboards but if there was no blob of red blood like jam well that is a different matter.

[guest154]

I was talking about finding a silencer with a blob of jam on the end, scratched with red paint and a hair attached as a Eureka moment not just a silencer in a box in a gun cupboards but if there was no blob of red blood like jam well that is a different matter.

So? I was replying to Caroline who was replying to Nugnug. I didn't read or reply to your post.

[nugnug]

I was talking about finding a silencer with a blob of jam on the end, scratched with red paint and a hair attached as a Eureka moment not just a silencer in a box in a gun cupboards but if there was no blob of red blood like jam well that is a different matter.

well there ethere was or there wasnt.

[maggie]

So? I was replying to Caroline who was replying to Nugnug. I didn't read or reply to your post.

I beg your pardon I didn't realise there were rules about answering posts.

[guest154]

I beg your pardon I didn't realise there were rules about answering posts.

I didn't say there was. But you replied to my post explaining what you had meant, but my post had nothing to do with what you meant or had previously posted.

Maybe we should just not post to each other? I don't find your post informative or clear and you don't like my postings, it would be must easier if we just stuck to other peoples posts - no confusion that way.

[Adam]

weather they were looking for it or not i dont see how you could fail to notice it if it had blood on it.

Do you not take things in Nugs.

For the police to notice the silencer had blood on, they would have had to have opened every box in the gun cupboard and checked every item in there.

Why would the police do that ? Jeremy had told them it was murder/suicide. Taff Jones was agreeing with this.

As previously said, please refer to posts 166 and 173.

[guest154]

Do you not take things in Nugs.

For the police to notice the silencer had blood on, they would have had to have opened every box in the gun cupboard and checked every item in there.

Why would the police do that ? Jeremy had told them it was murder/suicide. Taff Jones was agreeing with this.

As previously said, please refer to posts 166 and 173.

Exactly, Adam. At THAT stage at THAT time there was no need or reason to. If you look back with hindsight sure.

[Adam]

Part of the claim by Jeremy and supporters is that it was suspicious that the relatives found the silencer. Because the the police didn't find it.

But the police were not looking for it. They had been lead in a direction by a person whose name I forget. Oh yes I remember now,  it was Mr Jeremy Bamber.

[Adam]

Bamber wants it both ways.

Leading the police in a direction. When that direction contributes to his downfall,  he claims they should have not believed him and searched for and found the silencer.

Bit sneaky that.

[maggie]

I didn't say there was. But you replied to my post explaining what you had meant, but my post had nothing to do with what you meant or had previously posted.

Maybe we should just not post to each other? I don't find your post informative or clear and you don't like my postings, it would be must easier if we just stuck to other peoples posts - no confusion that way.

Theres little to be informative about, it's all been said a thousand times.

[scipio_usmc]

I was talking about finding a silencer with a blob of jam on the end, scratched with red paint and a hair attached as a Eureka moment not just a silencer in a box in a gun cupboards but if there was no blob of red blood like jam well that is a different matter.

It is obvious to me that Boutflour didn't sneak into the kitchen to get paint on it by scratching the mantle and then decided to cut himself, stick his blood inside and on the front and then go back to the office and call everyone to the room to show them a moderator with wet blood on and in it.

This was also obvious to the defense which didn't make any such claims at trial. I was also obvious to the defense he would not be in a position to conceal the finding of blood in the rifle muzzle.  There was nothing to suggest Boutflour knew anything about the concept of drawback let alone would know that Sheila's fatal wound would have resulted in drawback. The notion he took the moderator apart and put his blood on 8 baffles simply doesn't make any sense.

If he planted evidence and knew the impact he would have rushed it to the police station as opposed to having Ann Eaton hold the items. It was Cock's idea to have such stored at Oak Farm until police came for them. 

After Ann Eaton told the Boutflours about how police took paint samples from the mantle they went to WHF and looked at the mantle.  If they had planted the paint they would not have bothered to go investigate it. 

They didn't press the police to find out anything more about the blood they saw in/on the moderator.  They didn't even press the police to take it. They notified police and waited for police to get it which wound up being 2 days later because Jones wasn't on duty the weekend.

In contrast Boutflour took the shotgun shells to the station himself on September 14. Police picked up the scope and bullets but didn't take the shotgun shells so Boutflour got peeved and ended up taking them to police himself.  If he planted evidence in the moderator and knew that evidence would prove Sheila was murdered why would they bother insisting on police have the other items that ended up being of little consequence?



 

[maggie]

It is obvious to me that Boutflour didn't sneak into the kitchen to get paint on it by scratching the mantle and then decided to cut himself, stick his blood inside and on the front and then go back to the office and call everyone to the room to show them a moderator with wet blood on and in it.

This was also obvious to the defense which didn't make any such claims at trial. I was also obvious to the defense he would not be in a position to conceal the finding of blood in the rifle muzzle.  There was nothing to suggest Boutflour knew anything about the concept of drawback let alone would know that Sheila's fatal wound would have resulted in drawback. The notion he took the moderator apart and put his blood on 8 baffles simply doesn't make any sense.

If he planted evidence and knew the impact he would have rushed it to the police station as opposed to having Ann Eaton hold the items. It was Cock's idea to have such stored at Oak Farm until police came for them. 

After Ann Eaton told the Boutflours about how police took paint samples from the mantle they went to WHF and looked at the mantle.  If they had planted the paint they would not have bothered to go investigate it. 

They didn't press the police to find out anything more about the blood they saw in/on the moderator.  They didn't even press the police to take it. They notified police and waited for police to get it which wound up being 2 days later because Jones wasn't on duty the weekend.

In contrast Boutflour took the shotgun shells to the station himself on September 14. Police picked up the scope and bullets but didn't take the shotgun shells so Boutflour got peeved and ended up taking them to police himself.  If he planted evidence in the moderator and knew that evidence would prove Sheila was murdered why would they bother insisting on police have the other items that ended up being of little consequence?

You make massive assumptions, I have never suggested the family planted anything, I just said I find the whole episode of the finding, examining and collection of the moderator unconvincing.

[lookout]

The relatives were hoodwinked by the police,but whether in time they realised this themselves,I don't know,but the moving of Jeremy to Wakefield has suspicious undertones as far as I'm concerned,as those inside don't have a cat-in-Hell's chance of ever being released,and this is EXACTLY why I think Jeremy was put there.To keep his gob shut once and for all.

[maggie]

The relatives were hoodwinked by the police,but whether in time they realised this themselves,I don't know,but the moving of Jeremy to Wakefield has suspicious undertones as far as I'm concerned,as those inside don't have a cat-in-Hell's chance of ever being released,and this is EXACTLY why I think Jeremy was put there.To keep his gob shut once and for all.

He has been in Wakefield before, Lookout.

[lookout]

He has been in Wakefield before, Lookout.

I know,Mat,earlier on in his sentence,  which I wouldn't mind betting it was when he was organising another submission. I must find that out.