Ending the SJ/1 nonsense once and for all

[Stephanie]

Steph I have met many in my life time 

 

[maggie]

Why is it important who was actually in the room. Only Caroline asks this question, and has never said why despite requests. And you didn't either in you're post, just said it's highly pertinent.

Whether Jeremy smuggled heroin relates to the case. He either lied.and didn't,  showing he lies. Or he did smuggle heroin, showing he would take huge risks for money.

unfortunately that's all it proves, it doesn't prove he has the stomach to murder his closest family.

[scipio_usmc]

I'm not sure that's entirely correct, Scipio. They admitted that they were looking for something which could, shall we say, change the course of the enquiry. I believe it was RWB who announced that "I've found the silencer" As someone trained to hear unspoken words, it follows that I'm likely to be suspicious of "the" as opposed to "a." My feeling is that even if RWB wasn't aware of it's significance -and for a highly intelligent man I find it difficult to believe- he certainly hoped it was.

The family didn't expect to find any evidence directly related to the murders they expected police to have taken everything of potential value. They were surprised the ammunition and rifle accessories were left.

Robert didn't even know it had blood on it. He said he didn't have his glasses so could not see the moderator well enough to notice the scratches or anything else and thus could not identify if the one the police showed him was the exact one he saw.  Someone looking to railroad Jeremy no matter what would say he saw the blood and hair and scratch not say he didn't have his glasses and thus didn't see it well.  People ignore all the things the family said which they would not have said if they had fabricated evidence and often seize upon such things even though it woudl make no sense for them to say such things if they had done anything illicit.   

[Adam]

PE was in the gun cupboard. So was obviously looking for the silencer. Or anything else which would incriminate Jeremy. 

I have said before it would make sense for Bamber to use the silencer. The relatives may have thought the same. If they were experienced with guns they may have known Sheila could not shoot herself with the silencer attached.

Of they just saw the silencer with hair, paint and blood on.

[Jane]

Why is it important who was actually in the room. Only Caroline asks this question, and has never said why despite requests. And you didn't either in you're post, just said it's highly pertinent.

Whether Jeremy smuggled heroin relates to the case. He either lied, and didn't,  showing he lies. Or he did smuggle heroin, showing he would take huge risks for money.

Oh, I SEE!!! This is all because YOU didn't ask the question. Heaven forbid that someone should upset your emissions by asking something intelligent and pertinent.

[maggie]

The family didn't expect to find any evidence directly related to the murders they expected police to have taken everything of potential value. They were surprised the ammunition and rifle accessories were left.

Robert didn't even know it had blood on it. He said he didn't have his glasses so could not see the moderator well enough to notice the scratches or anything else and thus could not identify if the one the police showed him was the exact one he saw.  Someone looking to railroad Jeremy no matter what would say he saw the blood and hair and scratch not say he didn't have his glasses and thus didn't see it well.  People ignore all the things the family said which they would not have said if they had fabricated evidence and often seize upon such things even though it woudl make no sense for them to say such things if they had done anything illicit.

David Boutflour found the moderator and stated it had blood and scratches on it, he didn't mention a grey hair at that time

[Jane]

The family didn't expect to find any evidence directly related to the murders they expected police to have taken everything of potential value. They were surprised the ammunition and rifle accessories were left.

Robert didn't even know it had blood on it. He said he didn't have his glasses so could not see the moderator well enough to notice the scratches or anything else and thus could not identify if the one the police showed him was the exact one he saw.  Someone looking to railroad Jeremy no matter what would say he saw the blood and hair and scratch not say he didn't have his glasses and thus didn't see it well.  People ignore all the things the family said which they would not have said if they had fabricated evidence and often seize upon such things even though it woudl make no sense for them to say such things if they had done anything illicit.

We must agree to differ. I believe that's exactly what they were looking for -something which would convince the police that they, the family, had been right all along. As to whether RWB would have blurted out what he perceived to be attached to the silencer, he was a very astute and clever man and I think he would have been far more subtle in his approach. He would have allowed it to be found.

[scipio_usmc]

David Boutflour found the moderator and stated it had blood and scratches on it, he didn't mention a grey hair at that time

He did mention the gray hair to the police when he called. The police were also aware of the hair at the time it was being sent to the lab but it was lost on the way to the lab or at the lab because lack of care. The lab was not told by police to take care because a hair was on it. Fortunately for them it didn't really matter. We all know it is Nevill's hair not some random gray haired person.  We also all know it was his closet and his house so his hair would be around and could attach to it at any stage after the murders including by being in the closet and getting on it in there.  So the hair was not of much value.   

A murder could happen at my house and my hair could get on the weapon even though I am not there at the time of the murder simply because my hair will be around my house. If it is a whole clump of hair that's a different matter because clumps of my hair are not falling out it would have to be pulled out of my head...

 

[Adam]

Oh, I SEE!!! This is all because YOU didn't ask the question. Heaven forbid that someone should upset your emissions by asking something intelligent and pertinent.

No, someone else asked the question. So I am contributing to the discussion by asking why it matters.

No one knows the answer to the question anyway as far as I know. But there were several people in the house at the time. Some would have been near by, some not.

You still have not answered the question of why it is important. And neither has Caroline.

[maggie]

He did mention the gray hair to the police when he called. The police were also aware of the hair at the time it was being sent to the lab but it was lost on the way to the lab or at the lab because lack of care. The lab was not told by police to take care because a hair was on it. Fortunately for them it didn't really matter. We all know it is Nevill's hair not some random gray haired person.  We also all know it was his closet and his house so his hair would be around and could attach to it at any stage after the murders including by being in the closet and getting on it in there.  So the hair was not of much value.   

A murder could happen at my house and my hair could get on the weapon even though I am not there at the time of the murder simply because my hair will be around my house. If it is a whole clump of hair that's a different matter because clumps of my hair are not falling out it would have to be pulled out of my head...

He didn't mention it in his statement when speaking of his discovery is what I was saying.

[Jan]

Why is it important who was actually in the room. Only Caroline asks this question, and has never said why despite requests. And you didn't either in you're post, just said it's highly pertinent.

Whether Jeremy smuggled heroin relates to the case. He either lied, and didn't,  showing he lies. Or he did smuggle heroin, showing he would take huge risks for money.

Its quite simple if you think about it - if there were 4 people and their statements differ then you begin to think something may be wrong. Or if on person says  xxx saw us find the silencer - and xxx denies that happened then someone lied. I cant see what your problem is?

And stop going on about the heroin thing when there is no evidence. It is therefore irrelevant.

[Adam]

Its quite simple if you think about it - if there were 4 people and their statements differ then you begin to think something may be wrong. Or if on person says  xxx saw us find the silencer - and xxx denies that happened then someone lied. I cant see what your problem is?

And stop going on about the heroin thing when there is no evidence. It is therefore irrelevant.

April brought up Heroin on this thread. The evidence is Jeremy boasted about smuggling heroin. 

I don't consider Caroline's question important. There were several people inside WHF. They were not all following each other around and would have been in different rooms.

Didn't PE say 'I've found the silencer' ? Which suggests there was no one else around. I have just answered Caroline's question.

You have not PM'd me. If you don't want to PM me for support before changing stance, that is you're choice. However you must change stance. Continuing to support Jeremy is 'creepy'.

And stop telling me what to bring up.

[scipio_usmc]

He didn't mention it in his statement when speaking of his discovery is what I was saying.

Police didn't ask him to include it until later when they realized they screwed up and wanted to document the hair was there and that it was lost later.  If one is suggesting he made it up then the fact he mentioned it right away is evidence cutting against it.  The whole hair issue though is a waste of time.

The defense essentially conceded the moderator was used by arguing the blood inside was Nevill and June's.

Let's say both sides were to agree the hair got on the moderator during the murders and not after by sticking it in the closet.  What would such demonstrate?   Would it demonstrate Sheila was killed before Nevill and thus that Sheila didn't kill him? No, the prosecution argued Sheila or the boys were killed last in spite of the hair.  So even if the hair attached during the murders it establishes nothing significant and there is no way to prove it attached during as opposed to after.  So I see no potential value at all of this hair.

[maggie]

Police didn't ask him to include it until later when they realized they screwed up and wanted to document the hair was there and that it was lost later.  If one is suggesting he made it up then the fact he mentioned it right away is evidence cutting against it.  The whole hair issue though is a waste of time.

The defense essentially conceded the moderator was used by arguing the blood inside was Nevill and June's.

Let's say both sides were to agree the hair got on the moderator during the murders and not after by sticking it in the closet.  What would such demonstrate?   Would it demonstrate Sheila was killed before Nevill and thus that Sheila didn't kill him? No, the prosecution argued Sheila or the boys were killed last in spite of the hair.  So even if the hair attached during the murders it establishes nothing significant and there is no way to prove it attached during as opposed to after.  So I see no potential value at all of this hair.

I agree with that scipio

[nugnug]

f you dont belve the sllincer evedence then you have to conclude the slencer was planted if you belive the silencer was planted t coud only have been planted by the relatives if thats the case then it has to call into qustion all there other evedence.