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Offline scipio_usmc

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Ending the SJ/1 nonsense once and for all
« on: June 28, 2015, 11:59:PM »
Mike keeps dishonestly claiming Cook told COLP he labeled the moderator handed to him by Stan Jones SJ/1 . 

What Cook actually told COLP:





What does the above mean?

It means:

1) That he wrote in his pocketbook that he planned to label the moderator SJ/1

2) That prior to labeling it he spoke to Jones, found out his middle initial and they settled on labeling it SBJ/1 because Jones was unsure of who actually found it and when that is the case the initial of the cop who accepted the evidence from civilians are used

3) That he typed up the Holab forms in advance on August 12.  That in addition to the items on he typed form her decided to take 3 additional items including the moderator and while at the lab he hand wrote these items on the Holab forms.  COLP actually showed him the Holab forms that he filled out in triplicate he saw all 3 of them.

This is one of the 3 copies of that Holab form, he did indeed write the last 3 entries by hand and it does indeed refer to the moderator as SBJ/1 not SJ/1 like Mike keeps falsely claiming.:



Glynnis Howard also says the tag on the moderator said SBJ/1 and that is why on her examination record she drafted that very same day of August 13 she wrote SBJ/1 as the designation.

With respect to the triplicate forms that Cook filled out he made a clerical error on one of them. On tow of them he wrote 22 as the lab reference number but messed up and 23 as the lab reference number on the third.  He admitted this was just a sloppy mistake on his part.  If there actually had been 2 moderators submitted then each of the 3 copies would have had 2 moderators listed. Each has only 1 listed and on all 3 it is referred to as SBJ/1 this supports his claim that the 23 on the third form was simply an error.



the lab didn't see the error because their forms said 22 on them.  The form with the error went back to the police station which caused further problems because at the station they thought it was item 23 and they wrote such on other forms that ended up going to the lab and this forced the number to be corrected.

This is erroneously characterized as them officially changing the reference from 22 to to 23 and then changing it back to 22.  The reference was never officially changed to 23.  It was always 22 some forms simply contained 23 in error and it is directly attributable to Cook's error- police had a form which recorded it as 23 and simply copied that erroneous reference.  Only later was the error detected and corrected. This is why select forms list 23.

While Cook's COLP statement clears everything up, Mike dishonestly pretends Cook stated the complete opposite of what he actually stated. Since we can read what he really wrote I don't know what Mike thinks he is going to accomplish by his deception.  I am tired of posting this information over and over again so form now on I am going to link to this thread when he repeats his claims and everyone knows he is going to repeated them again and again no matter what.

If the movie Groundhog day were filmed with Mike as the character it would feature Mike repeating the same day over and over again changing nothing.  They would be able to simply film one day and then just keep playing it over and over.  They would have saved a lot of filming expenses. They also would have one hell of a boring movie though.


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Re: Ending the SJ/1 nonsense once and for all
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2015, 09:06:AM »
I do wonder why Jones didn't know who had found the silencer when (according to AE), he had spent several hours drinking with PE at the Eaton's house when he went to collect it. Surely the story of the find was relayed to him at some point?
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Re: Ending the SJ/1 nonsense once and for all
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2015, 10:47:AM »
I do wonder why Jones didn't know who had found the silencer when (according to AE), he had spent several hours drinking with PE at the Eaton's house when he went to collect it. Surely the story of the find was relayed to him at some point?
I agree, the silencer story seems very flimsy and unconvincing whichever angle you view it from it seems contrived and badly executed. I am not convinced about the silencer.

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« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2015, 11:26:AM »
Either the relatives or police must have deliberately contaminated the silencer.

A thread already exists showing it was impossible for the relatives to do this.

Therefore the relatives handed in a silencer with nothing on. Don't ask me why.

The police then decided to use the clean silencer to help secure a conviction. They needed the support of each other and the lab technicians, who would deliberately contaminate the silencer.

The police also needed the relatives to keep quiet. As the relatives knew they had handed in a clean silencer.
« Last Edit: June 29, 2015, 11:27:AM by Adam »
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« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2015, 11:31:AM »
Another similar scenario is the relatives handed in a clean silencer and suggested to the police that they use it to frame Jeremy.

The relatives were taking a big risk in making this suggestion.

The police would still need the support of each other, the lab technicians and the relatives.

No one has cracked and admitted deliberate contamination in 30 years. Although a lot of people will be aware of it.
« Last Edit: June 29, 2015, 11:32:AM by Adam »
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Re: Ending the SJ/1 nonsense once and for all
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2015, 11:40:AM »
Another similar scenario is the relatives handed in a clean silencer and suggested to the police that they use it to frame Jeremy.

The relatives were taking a big risk in making this suggestion.

The police would still need the support of each other, the lab technicians and the relatives.

No one has cracked and admitted deliberate contamination in 30 years. Although a lot of people will be aware of it.
Thanks for suggestions Adam, you are such a support to a thicko like me.
« Last Edit: June 29, 2015, 12:24:PM by maggie »

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Re: Ending the SJ/1 nonsense once and for all
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2015, 11:52:AM »
What silencer ??

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Re: Ending the SJ/1 nonsense once and for all
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2015, 12:30:PM »
I agree, the silencer story seems very flimsy and unconvincing whichever angle you view it from it seems contrived and badly executed. I am not convinced about the silencer.


Just thought I'd throw a few ideas into the mix. I'm not offering any explanations as to how I think it could have been done but I go along with the theory of where a will exists, there will be a way to bring about a successful conclusion.




A. Rellies wanted to put Jeremy in the picture. To convince police, they found a silencer.

B. Rellies and police jointly had doubts about Jeremy's innocence. Silencer was introduced.

C. Police were convinced of Jeremy's guilt. Suggested a silencer would help convict him.

D. Police wanted Jeremy convicted to cover their own activities. Introduced silencer.

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« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2015, 12:44:PM »
If the police wanted to introduce the silencer, why involve the relatives ?

They had several weeks to order a second search themselves and find a silencer they could deliberately contaminate. 

Instead they had their brainwave to use fake evidence on a silencer after the relatives handed a clean one in. Knowing that the relatives would have to keep quiet. For ever.

The relatives have been quite happy to discuss the silencer over the years. Must be good liars.
« Last Edit: June 29, 2015, 12:46:PM by Adam »
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Re: Ending the SJ/1 nonsense once and for all
« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2015, 12:50:PM »

Just thought I'd throw a few ideas into the mix. I'm not offering any explanations as to how I think it could have been done but I go along with the theory of where a will exists, there will be a way to bring about a successful conclusion.




A. Rellies wanted to put Jeremy in the picture. To convince police, they found a silencer.

B. Rellies and police jointly had doubts about Jeremy's innocence. Silencer was introduced.

C. Police were convinced of Jeremy's guilt. Suggested a silencer would help convict him.

D. Police wanted Jeremy convicted to cover their own activities. Introduced silencer.

April

thanks for the suggestions the one that is most likely to me is B

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« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2015, 12:53:PM »
Criminals get away with crime all the time.

Either avoiding arrest, or cases collapsing before or during trial. Due to lack of evidence or a technicality.

Even if a full trial is heard, the jury often vote 'not guilty' if not convinced 'beyond reasonable doubt'. The defendant in the 80's getting away with it.  For ever.

The police were well aware of this, and would have been used to criminals walking free. To suggest they refused to accept Jeremy would be another one 'who got away' and carried out a huge , serious and delicate frame up is not realistic.
« Last Edit: June 29, 2015, 01:02:PM by Adam »
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« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2015, 12:59:PM »
April

thanks for the suggestions the one that is most likely to me is B

Well 'B' is what happened.

Both the relatives and most of the police had doubts from day one.

The relatives, inside WHF with BW and Basil Cock, found a silencer hidden away.

The relatives handed it to the police, who sent it away for testing.

No joint conspiracy.
« Last Edit: June 29, 2015, 01:03:PM by Adam »
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« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2015, 01:06:PM »
Julie approached the police a month later.

The silencer was handed in by the relatives.

Jeremy was walking free.

The police sure weren't being pro active in framing him. 
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« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2015, 01:13:PM »
Actually I will amend post 8.

The relatives handed in the silencer quite soon after the massacre. So the police did not have much time to carry out a second search.

At this time the official line was that Sheila was guilty. The silencer was sent to the Labs, who spent several weeks testing it.

So the police must have asked the labs to give false results.

I still find it strange that the relatives would hand in a silencer with nothing on.

« Last Edit: June 29, 2015, 01:14:PM by Adam »
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Re: Ending the SJ/1 nonsense once and for all
« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2015, 02:23:PM »
Another similar scenario is the relatives handed in a clean silencer and suggested to the police that they use it to frame Jeremy.

The relatives were taking a big risk in making this suggestion.

The police would still need the support of each other, the lab technicians and the relatives.

No one has cracked and admitted deliberate contamination in 30 years. Although a lot of people will be aware of it.

Clearly, that DIDN'T happen!
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