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« Reply #1290 on: July 28, 2015, 05:04:PM »
I don't think its even worth discussing I cant see how there would be evidence of shot gun pellets on clothes without injury. And we have not seen the report either.

Sheila could have help her father put the guns way earlier in the evening which would explain finger prints.  After all the family insisted he did that every night .

The shot gun could have been poachers out in the fields for all we know.

I totally agree.
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« Reply #1291 on: July 28, 2015, 05:10:PM »
I don't think its even worth discussing I cant see how there would be evidence of shot gun pellets on clothes without injury. And we have not seen the report either.

Sheila could have help her father put the guns way earlier in the evening which would explain finger prints.  After all the family insisted he did that every night .

The shot gun could have been poachers out in the fields for all we know.

Mike has failed to produce any evidence that her print was on the shotgun anyway.  It is in all likelihood as false as his claim there is evidence proving Davidson fingerprinted a moderator on Aug 9.  Not only do none of the various listings of evidence cite this more importantly the defense never raised the issue ever.

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« Reply #1292 on: July 29, 2015, 01:03:AM »
Given the time frame you gave it would mean that she shot the twins before Pam called.

No, I am suggesting that she shot the twins after her involvement in the phone call with Pamela...
« Last Edit: July 29, 2015, 01:10:AM by mike tesko »
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« Reply #1293 on: July 29, 2015, 01:13:AM »
While you were busy making up this nonsense I have not made up any nonsense, as you put it  you ignored that Jeremy claims around 3:10  which version of evidence are you relying upon when you deliberstely refer to this timing?he received a call from Nevill saying Sheila was running around crazy with a gun. He never said those words to anybody, in that sequence, you have simply made this up He didn't claim anyone had been shot or wounded read into, 'Sheila has got the gun, she has gone crazy', whatever suits your purpose...and indeed if someone had been he would have said to call an ambulance because of such. Not if June and the 2 children were already dead by the time Ralph stumbled upon the mayhem, he would have called the police, which is exactly what he did do...

So Jeremy's own claim limits the shootings to taking place after this supposed phone call yes, the shooting of Ralph by Sheila took place after Ralphs calls to Jeremy and the police at around 3.25 /3.26am, correct...and by placing the timing of the call around 3:10 No the timing of the brief call to Jeremy took olace at 3.25 am, followed by a second call to the police at 3.26am, subject of Malcolm Bonnets phone log contents...that means making up them being shot much earlier is downright foolish on your part. it is not foolish, it makes perfect sense, and helps to explain how Sheila was able to dispense with each of the four victims of her family, at different stages, prior to, and after the calls Ralph made to Jeremy and the police. ?.
« Last Edit: July 29, 2015, 06:27:AM by mike tesko »
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« Reply #1294 on: July 29, 2015, 01:52:AM »
"While you were busy making up this nonsense you ignored that Jeremy claims around 3:10"

I have not made up any nonsense, as you put it which version of evidence are you relying upon when you deliberstely refer to this timing?

The time Jeremy provided to police.   

"he received a call from Nevill saying Sheila was running around crazy with a gun."
He never said those words to anybody, in that sequence, you have simply made this up

Nevill could not have made the call with her there holding him at gunpoint.  Implicit is that she was moving around with the gun acting crazy not just sitting there peacefully. Also, implicit is that she didn't shoot anyone yet because if she had then he would have requested his son obtain medical help and police- he would not would not ask his son to come there after she opened fire already.

"He didn't claim anyone had been shot or wounded and indeed if someone had been he would have said to call an ambulance because of such."

read into, 'Sheila has got the gun, she has gone crazy', whatever suits your purpose...

You are the one making up whatever suits your purpose.  While your made up claims sound good to you they stink to someone who looks at it objectively.

You suggest Sheila shot all the victims many hours before Jeremy claims he was called by Nevill.  You suggest the shots were heard by someone far away but not Nevill (who was much closer) so he never realized it happened.  his already has enough problems but then you compound it more by claiming she used a shotgun though no victims had any shotgun wounds, you resolve this problem by making up that they did.

Nevill goes in the house knowing nothing and conveniently fails to go upstairs to put his pajamas on and stays downstairs for some reason.  Even more conveniently Sheila does nothing for hours.   At 3am she suddenly gets the gun and goes crazy. Nevill eiher goes to put on his pajamas and finds out she shot everyone but doesn't want her punished so decides to call Jeremy to ask him to come held disarm her so they could then figure out what to do or calls Jeremy being totally unaware anyone was shot until after he gets off the phone and goes upstairs deciding to put his PJs on before Jeremy arrives.  Then Sheila attacks him in the bedroom and chases him to the kitchen.  Though she has 6 bullets left she decides to beat him and only after he is knocked out cold does she shoot him fatally.

You are a bad story writer. This crap would not even fly in a parody of some cop homicide show.

When you make something up you have to take ALL the facts and evidence and weave something around such not ignore it and you have to take logic into account as well.

Since there were no shotgun wounds it doesn't matter but post evidence that proves one of her prints was found on a shotgun.  You constantly make this claim so by now you should be able to provide evidence of it if you had any.

 
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« Reply #1295 on: July 29, 2015, 06:29:AM »
Quote from: scipio_usmc link=topic=6775.msg317879#msg317879 date=14380[color=red
Mike has failed to produce any evidence that her print was on the shotgun anyway. Evidence exists in the police file confirming this to be true... It is in all likelihood as false as his claim there is evidence proving Davidson fingerprinted a moderator on Aug 9.  He fingerprinted different silencers on different dates, 1 silencer on the 9th August 1985, and a 2nd silencer on the 14th September 1985...Not only do none of the various listings of evidence cite this according your distorted version of events...more importantly the defense never raised the issue ever. because they were prevented from knowing about it due to hundreds of thousands of pieces of documentary and photographic evidence deliberately withheld by the police and the prosecuting authorities...
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« Reply #1296 on: July 29, 2015, 06:46:AM »
It is easy to work out, how Sheila managed to deal with the deposal of her 2 children, the killing of June, and the shooting of Ralph. It's all there as I have explained it. Ralph never went to bed that night, neither did Sheila.  June did, but she never slept a wink of sleep after the shotgun blast had been discharged by Sheila. SHEILA simpky ordered June upstairs at gun point and made her lay in bed, before shooting her dead there. All this happened before Ralph  stumbled upon the mayhem upstairs in the early hours. Ralphs work clothes were downstairs and the tiwel he used to wipe his hands after washibg them at the kitchen sink, were amongst the items used by the police to controo the spread of blood later on...
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« Reply #1297 on: July 29, 2015, 09:25:AM »
It is easy to work out, how Sheila managed to deal with the deposal of her 2 children, the killing of June, and the shooting of Ralph. It's all there as I have explained it. Ralph never went to bed that night, neither did Sheila.  June did, but she never slept a wink of sleep after the shotgun blast had been discharged by Sheila. SHEILA simpky ordered June upstairs at gun point and made her lay in bed, before shooting her dead there. All this happened before Ralph  stumbled upon the mayhem upstairs in the early hours. Ralphs work clothes were downstairs and the tiwel he used to wipe his hands after washibg them at the kitchen sink, were amongst the items used by the police to controo the spread of blood later on...

And being a good considerate daughter gave her time to put on her nightdress before blasting her IN the bed prior to allowing her to get OUT of bed before killing her.

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« Reply #1298 on: July 29, 2015, 10:26:AM »
And being a good considerate daughter gave her time to put on her nightdress before blasting her IN the bed Sheila didn't blast the shotgun in the bedroom at June. For confirmation where the shotgun blast was discharged, you need to see the officers report bout the shootung incident in the kitchen...prior to allowing her to get OUT of bed before killing her.  There is no evidence of the sequence with which June got in or out of bed, since she could easily have been stood out of the bed when she got shot and fallen onto the bed and at that stage she bled on the bed. Similarly, the blood trail on the bedroom floor could have been made after she was shot and prior to falling onto the bed...
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« Reply #1299 on: July 29, 2015, 10:32:AM »
I realise that you're trying to form a debate Mike - but everyone knows none of this happened. Far better to discuss possibilities than this?
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« Reply #1300 on: July 29, 2015, 11:58:AM »
I realise that you're trying to form a debate Mike - but everyone knows none of this happened. Far better to discuss possibilities than this?

I am being serious about this - the shotgun was the gun with the aga paint found upon its barrel, and subject of the officers report of a shooting incident in the downstars kitchen.  Linked to this is the discovery of small holes on Junes nightdress which were caused by small lead shots contained in the RAKER shotgun cartridge. ..
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« Reply #1301 on: July 29, 2015, 12:19:PM »
I am being serious about this - the shotgun was the gun with the aga paint found upon its barrel, and subject of the officers report of a shooting incident in the downstars kitchen.  Linked to this is the discovery of small holes on Junes nightdress which were caused by small lead shots contained in the RAKER shotgun cartridge. ..



Have you posted the documentation confirming this? Thus far we are only privy to the front of June's nightdress. Did you not say the small holes were on the back?

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« Reply #1302 on: July 29, 2015, 12:27:PM »
According to Claire Powell,it wasn't " small holes ",the poor woman's nightdress was " blown apart with the sheer force of the shots.

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« Reply #1303 on: July 29, 2015, 12:30:PM »
According to Claire Powell,it wasn't " small holes ",the poor woman's nightdress was " blown apart with the sheer force of the shots.

What twaddle! There is a picture of her actually wearing the nightdress!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #1304 on: July 29, 2015, 12:33:PM »
What twaddle! There is a picture of her actually wearing the nightdress!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D






It's in her book if you believe in books stating Jeremy's guilt. Why would she write something that was libelous ?