david boutflowers phonecall to colin.

[susan]

Who cares? It's got nothing to do with whether someone may or may not be a murderer

Sara quite right who cares and as you rightly say it has nothing to do whether a person has committed murder or not.

[Jane]

....................If he smuggled heroin it makes it much more likely he committed the massacre.

What warped thinking has lead you to make that particularly wild and sweeping statement?

[Jane]

Supporters -AND DETRACTORS- are entitled to say they don't believe Jeremy smuggled heroin.

However everyone must be in agreement that if he was prepared to take such a big risk -EVEN THOUGH NO ONE KNOWS THAT HE DID!!!!!!- for a smaller financial reward (even just once), what would he do for over £435,000 ?

[Adam]

Sara quite right who cares and as you rightly say it has nothing to do whether a person has committed murder or not.

Susan you must use you're common sense sometimes. You wrongly supported Jeremy until you could so no more.

If he was prepared to take such a huge risk for a relatively small reward when smuggling heroin, imagine what he would do for over £436,000p.

[susan]

Susan you must use you're common sense sometimes. You wrongly supported Jeremy until you could so no more.

If he was prepared to take such a huge risk for a relatively small reward when smuggling heroin, imagine what he would do for over £436,000p.

Adam hahahaha you are so funny ever thought of becoming a stand up comedian you never answered my question do you have a cat.

[Jane]

Susan you must use you're common sense sometimes. You wrongly supported Jeremy until you could so no more.

If he was prepared to take such a huge risk for a relatively small reward when smuggling heroin, imagine what he would do for over £436,000p.

 And you have the nerve to accuse Nugs of making wild assumptions!!!!!!!!!!!!! We KNOW a conversation took place between DB and CC. We have NO idea if Jeremy smuggled heroin.

[maggie]

Adam hahahaha you are so funny ever thought of becoming a stand up comedian

[scipio_usmc]

Supporters are entitled to say they don't believe Jeremy smuggled heroin.

However everyone must be in agreement that if he was prepared to take such a big risk for a smaller financial reward (even just once), what would he do for over £435,000 ?

Lot's of people steal and yet never escalate to intentional murder of strangers or family.  When you murder your own family to get everything they own it is well beyond the pale.  His lack of love for his family combined with his greed resulted in him bumping them off. 

[Adam]

Lot's of people steal and yet never escalate to intentional murder of strangers or family.  When you murder your own family to get everything they own it is well beyond the pale.  His lack of love for his family combined with his greed resulted in him bumping them off.

I am not talking about stealing.

I am talking about smuggling heroin. Which could result in 10 years to life in a sordid foreign prison. Or even the death penalty. For a much smaller financial reward than the WHF massacre.

The risks people take for money.

[nugnug]

Of course the family would have known, not sure why people are trying to make this into a conspiracy. Given that the family had been making statements in respect to their suspicions, they were part of the process that led to his arrest. A story as big as Bamber being arrested couldn't be kept out of the press for long - obviously DB and the family would know it was about to hit the headlines and so he called to warn Colin. Simple, no conspiracy!

so if thats true why did he say he phoned colin by mistake.

[maggie]

I am not talking about stealing.

I am talking about smuggling heroin. Which could result in 10 years to life in a sordid foreign prison. Or even the death penalty.

The risks people take for money.

It's a huge difference to put yourself at risk smuggling heroin and being able to cope with murdering your closest family.  I suppose you could argue both take an ability to stay calm under pressure and not show any emotion but murder is in a different league imo.

[gringo]

The Fielder story has been discredited how and when?  You stupidly suggest Fielder asked out of the blue if Jeremy possessed any nude pics of his sister and that Jeremy didn't bring it up or offer to sell them.  This is outright absurd but you are always absurd.  Jeremy is a proven liar who murdered his family he is not trustworthy.  Fielder is far more trustworthy than Jeremy and his claim that Jeremy told him about the photos and used the same words Jeremy used with Colin is evidence though you want to hide your eyes and pretend otherwise.  Your bias prevents you from being logical and facing reality. That same bias makes you close your eyes to Jeremy's guilt and to come up with nonsense to defend him.

   The Fielder story is discredited because Fielder is a proven liar and he wrote for a paper with no regard for the truth.
    I didn't "stupidly suggest" that "Fielder asked out of the blue if Jeremy possessed any nude pics of his sister" unless you can point me to this claim. I am more inclined to believe that Fielder found out about the pics from a source other than Jeremy. It has already been pointed out that they weren't exactly a secret. After Jeremy's arrest it is quite likely that EP themselves found the pictures/slides. Brett, Julie , Colin, possibly the relatives and others could all feasibly have known or in some cases certainly knew of their existence.
    The alleged use of the same words is so pathetic as evidence that it is laughable, especially as that is all the evidence there is. Look up the phrase "everything down to the last detail" and it is a well known idiom and these are the only words that allegedly match. There must be hundreds of other words in that article and none of the others are claimed to match. Just a well known idiom.
    So a proven liar writes hundreds of words in an article, manages one hit with an idiom and you consider this strong evidence that he is telling the truth this time and that you should believe all the claims in that article. You need to raise the bar a little.
    To claim that Fielder is far more trustworthy than anyone is a bold claim given what we know of him.
    If I am biased and my eyes closed then what does that say about you? You can't even get right what I have claimed.

[Adam]

It's a huge difference to put yourself at risk smuggling heroin and being able to cope with murdering your closest family.  I suppose you could argue both take an ability to stay calm under pressure and not show any emotion but murder is in a different league imo.

That's a good point.

If he was calm and emotionless enough to smuggle heroin, knowing the consequences if caught, then it is more likely he would have the composure to commit the massacre.

[Caroline]

The Fielder story has been discredited how and when?  You stupidly suggest Fielder asked out of the blue if Jeremy possessed any nude pics of his sister and that Jeremy didn't bring it up or offer to sell them.  This is outright absurd but you are always absurd.  Jeremy is a proven liar who murdered his family he is not trustworthy.  Fielder is far more trustworthy than Jeremy and his claim that Jeremy told him about the photos and used the same words Jeremy used with Colin is evidence though you want to hide your eyes and pretend otherwise.  Your bias prevents you from being logical and facing reality. That same bias makes you close your eyes to Jeremy's guilt and to come up with nonsense to defend him.

Totally agree Scip, Fieder hasn't been discredited and the claim that he lied about Colin Stagg has been blown out of the water. There is nothing remotely sinister in the call from DB and he certainly doesn't confirm that it was. He simply found the fact that DB had called him a little strange buts all would have been clear when he found out that Jeremy had been arrested and bright as crystal when he saw the Sun news article 10 days later. He knew it was kosher because Jeremy had described the pictures using the same sentence. It takes some kind of stalwart obsessive to deny Jeremy's involvement.

[Caroline]

so if thats true why did he say he phoned colin by mistake.

Why don't you ask him? This is leading nowhere but is a distraction from Jeremy trying to sell pictures of his dead sister. I also see you have made no comment about Fielder not having lied about Colin Stagg?