david boutflowers phonecall to colin.

[Jane]

Claire Powell said he boasted about it to friends.

Who is lying, Jeremy, Claire Powell or his friends ?

Or perhaps Jeremy is telling the truth, meaning his friends and Claire Powell are.

Lies? Opinions? Ambiguities? Fantasies? Take your pick.

[SaraT]

Claire Powell said he boasted about it to friends.

Who is lying, Jeremy, Claire Powell or his friends ?

Or perhaps Jeremy is telling the truth, meaning his friends and Claire Powell are.

Who cares? It's got nothing to do with whether someone may or may not be a murderer

[Adam]

Smuggling heroin, just once was just as big a risk as committing the massacre.

It was a risk he couldn't keep taking as sooner or later he would get caught. 

Anyway committing the massacre would pay for 100 smuggling risks.

If he smuggled heroin it makes it much more likely he committed the massacre.

[maggie]

Claire Powell said he boasted about it to friends.

Who is lying, Jeremy, Claire Powell or his friends ?

Or perhaps Jeremy is telling the truth, meaning his friends and Claire Powell are.

Or perhaps they're all lying  :D

[gringo]

Nugs has thrown everything he can at the meeting with the Sun paper, but none of it has stuck and  very little of it made sense to be honest.

Now because of the inability to damage the story he has taken it in another direction to try and make an innocent phone call between two people who actually knew each other into something sinister.

What a circus.   

  What makes little sense is the firm belief of many that JB attempted to sell pictures to the Sun with nothing but the flimsiest of circumstantial evidence to back up this claim.
    The phone call between DB and CC can hardly be described as innocent. In fact Colin himself confirms this in his statement. He also makes clear that he thinks DB and the family are ganging up on Jeremy and the implication is obvious that he believes they are trying to set Jeremy up and that the reason for this is financial.
    The Fielder story is not just damaged, it has been discredited totally and needs more evidence than the alleged use of a well known idiom to describe explicit pictures.
    What do you make of all the things Fielder got wrong? Can you give an example of any Fielder story previous or since this story that is verifiably true, because we don't know of any yet?

[scipio_usmc]

Smuggling heroin, just once was just as big a risk as committing the massacre.

It was a risk he couldn't keep taking as sooner or later he would get caught. 

Anyway committing the massacre would pay for 100 smuggling risks.

If he smuggled heroin it makes it much more likely he committed the massacre.

I don't see how smuggling heroin has any bearing on likelihood of committing murder. If he was smuggling heroin he should have had more money.  He can't have been too big a player given his finances.

[maggie]

Smuggling heroin, just once was just as big a risk as committing the massacre.

It was a risk he couldn't keep taking as sooner or later he would get caught. 

Anyway committing the massacre would pay for 100 smuggling risks.

If he smuggled heroin it makes it much more likely he committed the massacre.

No it doesn't, they're completely different crimes 

[Adam]

Who cares? It's got nothing to do with whether someone may or may not be a murderer

It has a lot to do with whether he is the murderer.

It shows how desperate he was for money. And shows he was prepared to commit serious crimes. And take the risks.

Anyway people are always going on about Susan Battersby's 1984 minor cheque book fraud. Smuggling heroin smashes this.

[Adam]

No it doesn't, they're completely different crimes 

Different crimes.

Similar punishments. Similar rewards - money.

[maggie]

It has a lot to do with whether he is the murderer.

It shows how desperate he was for money. And shows he was prepared to commit serious crimes. And take the risks.

Anyway people are always going on about Susan Battersby's 1984 minor cheque book fraud. Smuggling heroin smashes this.

Wonder what he did with all the money from his heroin smuggling, maybe buried it under his cannabis plants in his back garden.  She was proven to have committed cheque book fraud, absolutely no proof of heroin smuggling.

[SaraT]

It has a lot to do with whether he is the murderer.

It has nothing to do with it. I do hope you never get asked to do jury service

[maggie]

Different crimes.

Similar punishments. Similar rewards - money.

Most crimes are committed for money or drugs Adam so your argument doesn't hold water.

[Adam]

Supporters are entitled to say they don't believe Jeremy smuggled heroin.

However everyone must be in agreement that if he was prepared to take such a big risk for a smaller financial reward (even just once), what would he do for over £435,000 ?

[Adam]

Wonder what he did with all the money from his heroin smuggling, maybe buried it under his cannabis plants in his back garden.  She was proven to have committed cheque book fraud, absolutely no proof of heroin smuggling.

Well as I stated on another thread, the rewards in 1985 were probably between 1k - 5k. That's a couple of lobster meals for Jeremy.

If he did do it, it may have just been once.

[scipio_usmc]

  What makes little sense is the firm belief of many that JB attempted to sell pictures to the Sun with nothing but the flimsiest of circumstantial evidence to back up this claim.
    The phone call between DB and CC can hardly be described as innocent. In fact Colin himself confirms this in his statement. He also makes clear that he thinks DB and the family are ganging up on Jeremy and the implication is obvious that he believes they are trying to set Jeremy up and that the reason for this is financial.
    The Fielder story is not just damaged, it has been discredited totally and needs more evidence than the alleged use of a well known idiom to describe explicit pictures.
    What do you make of all the things Fielder got wrong? Can you give an example of any Fielder story previous or since this story that is verifiably true, because we don't know of any yet?

The Fielder story has been discredited how and when?  You stupidly suggest Fielder asked out of the blue if Jeremy possessed any nude pics of his sister and that Jeremy didn't bring it up or offer to sell them.  This is outright absurd but you are always absurd.  Jeremy is a proven liar who murdered his family he is not trustworthy.  Fielder is far more trustworthy than Jeremy and his claim that Jeremy told him about the photos and used the same words Jeremy used with Colin is evidence though you want to hide your eyes and pretend otherwise.  Your bias prevents you from being logical and facing reality. That same bias makes you close your eyes to Jeremy's guilt and to come up with nonsense to defend him.