Michael Fielder Proven liar

[Caroline]

I see many people emotionally attached to their belief he is innocent. They base their position on the belief that a crazy person would commit murder not someone like Jeremy and ignore all the evidence which establishes his guilt.  Out of desperation they attach the police and mention any wrongdoing done in other cases to try to pretend the police did wrong in this case though there is no evidence of wrongdoing in this case only other cases.  The same exact thing is being done with the Sun saying they posted false things in the past so they refuse to believe the Sun could be telling the truth though it is not credible that the Sun invented he had nude pics and tried to sell them.  It is all part of the desire not to face they have been conned by Jeremy in their initial assessments of Jeremy's innocence.

I initially thought maybe Jeremy was innocent based on all the claims made by Bamber's campaign team but I didn't accept the claims as Gospel and decide he definitely was innocent.  I researched to see if indeed he was thus I had no emotional attachment to him being innocent.  All the spectacular claims fell apart on scrutiny from the claim Sheila was seen alive in the house while police were there, to the claim the gun was seen in the window to the claim the police moved Sheila's body, to the claim there were 2 bodies in the kitchen, to the claim they were having a conversation with people inside the house, to the claim SBJ/1, DB/1 and DRB/1 were 3 different moderators, to the claim there is evidence Nevill phoned 999, to claims there is proof Sheila's blood was wet and her injuries were delivered not long from the time of the raid, to the claim Sheila's medicine ran out, to...

All the things cited that had potential of establishing Sheila really didn't do it all turned out to be lies and nonsense.  The official site doesn't go through all the evidence against Jeremy and once one actually sees the evidence it becomes clear the campaign team doesn't attack any of it head on but rather tries to dance around it and hopes people won't be aware of it and will simply believe the smoke and mirrors.

Some Jeremy supporters are the ones actively engaging in the deceptions.  Others simply were taken in by such and much like the women who appeared on the Dr Phil show who didn't want to admit they were taken in by Nigerian con-artists and still insisted the men were "real", we see a number of Jeremy supporters trying anything to try to avoid admitting they were taken in and now see that.

I agree and most fall into the latter (me included for a while). I find those who belong to the former, quite disturbing!

[maggie]

Exactly, thanks Caroline I am glad you read it properly. It's constant diversion. Oh, the sun is a bad paper - what about Colin backing it up? - hillsborough! 

Are you inferring I didn't read it properly? I am as capable as anyone else of reading things and absorbing them.

[guest154]

Are you inferring I didn't read it properly? I am as capable as anyone else of reading things and absorbing them.

Well from how you reacted, I guessed you didn't!

[nugnug]

Nothing to do with the Hillsborough disaster Lookout - I don't care how many times I have to say it. no one has to take The Sun's word for anything, but unless you want to call Colin a liar, you can't argue that he doesn't confirm the sale of the pictures!! It happened!!

who calling him a liar he wasnt at this meeting and never cliamed to be he allso never cliamed to have seen the pictures fielder was talking about.

[guest154]

I agree and most fall into the latter (me included for a while). I find those who belong to the former, quite disturbing!

I think Apes said it best, that she believed what was written because WHY would supporters/the official site lie.

who calling him a liar he wasnt at this meeting and never cliamed to be he allso never cliamed to have seen the pictures fielder was talking about.

He didn't need to be.

[Caroline]

My argument about the Sun is mainly with Adam because he won't accept the Sun in the 1980s was corrupt and for that reason his arguments are flawed.  I know I'm banging my head against a brick wall but somehow I can't seem to help it. 

I know The Sun has a sleazy reputation and I wouldn't have my chips wrapped in it and I agree with what you say above. However, not everything they have ever written is lies but as far as the Bamber story goes, I think it's pretty water tight. gringo said he didn't have to look very far to discredit Fielder but it's took him a month to find ONE example 

[nugnug]

the point is the reporter in qustion has been proven to have lied before and theres no dispute he did.

[gringo]

I know The Sun has a sleazy reputation and I wouldn't have my chips wrapped in it and I agree with what you say above. However, not everything they have ever written is lies but as far as the Bamber story goes, I think it's pretty water tight. gringo said he didn't have to look very far to discredit Fielder but it's took him a month to find ONE example 

  Took me 10 minutes actually. There are more 

[Caroline]

who calling him a liar he wasnt at this meeting and never cliamed to be he allso never cliamed to have seen the pictures fielder was talking about.

Colin said that he KNEW the story was true because Jeremy had described the pictures using the SAME words as Fielder described. Did he drag that out of thin air? Did he imagine being told about the pictures? Two people told the same thing by the same person, two people able to corroborate the same words were used by such person in the description and that one NOW denying there were any pictures.

He's banged to rights because Colin Supports what Fielder wrote!!

[Caroline]

the point is the reporter in qustion has been proven to have lied before and theres no dispute he did.

So has Bamber - but there is no proof Colin has!

[Caroline]

  Took me 10 minutes actually. There are more 

Yeah right! You can find 300 for all that matters, Colin corroborates his story so your finding are MOOOOOOOT!

[scipio_usmc]

I agree and most fall into the latter (me included for a while). I find those who belong to the former, quite disturbing!

I don't understand most people who actively set out to distort.  I suppose some hate the police so much that they want to insist the police always lie and distort but it is hard to see what motivates others. TI suppose some like being part of an effort- but they could channel such into a real effort for someone where there is actual evidence of innocence, and some seek out attention- I am convinced that Mike is trying to garner attention with his claims of being so intimately involved including claiming to have seen bombshell photos.  He uses such claims and claims of possessing evidence no one else does to attain minor celebrity status. Most of the campaign team are not identified anywhere so don't get notoriety so their exact angle is a mystery.

[nugnug]

So has Bamber - but there is no proof Colin has!

dont you think the authours concerned should of mentioned this about fielder before using him as a source.

[scipio_usmc]

Colin said that he KNEW the story was true because Jeremy had described the pictures using the SAME words as Fielder described. Did he drag that out of thin air? Did he imagine being told about the pictures? Two people told the same thing by the same person, two people able to corroborate the same words were used by such person in the description and that one NOW denying there were any pictures.

He's banged to rights because Colin Supports what Fielder wrote!!

That is what makes it very hard to believe it was simply made up and coincidence that nude photos actually existed.  This is not something natural to make up and if it had simply been made up from whole cloth then there would have been no evidence at all of such photos existing and no evidence of Jeremy being aware of them even if they did exist.

[Caroline]

the point is the reporter in qustion has been proven to have lied before and theres no dispute he did.

Oh, by the way, something gringo forgot to mention in his vilification of Michael Fielder (and The Sun); The Sun was NOT the only newspaper to print the madame article about Carmen Proetta but they were the FIRST to admit libel and make payment. The other newspapers who ran similar stories were the Star, Daily Express, Daily Mail, Sunday Mail and Daily Mirror.

I suppose it suits the agenda to miss out such information - but it still doesn't dismiss the fact that Colin corroborated the Sun's story (pieces of eight! pieces of eight!  ).