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Re: The Myths of Circumstantial Evidence
« Reply #270 on: December 18, 2016, 12:16:AM »
Steve. Julie's testimony is perjury why remain in denial?

You clearly do not understand the process of giving Queens evidence.

And whilst you remain stuck and focused on your own theories and bias you are too quick to dismiss evidence that renders your arguments weak.
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Re: The Myths of Circumstantial Evidence
« Reply #271 on: December 18, 2016, 12:20:AM »
There's no getting away from this fact. Not one shred of guilt from him in 32 years over this crucial point of fact. Not an iota of regret!

And I guarantee there isn't a single letter in existence (Written to a supporter/or anyone else for that matter) where he has ever mentioned his remorse or carelessness for having left the gun and ammunition out. The facts speak for themselves. What a purely wicked man he is!

Jeremy does express regret/guilt of leaving the rifle out - Below is PC Mercer (the police dog handlers) account of the 7th of August.



There's no getting away from this fact.



The facts speak for themselves. What a purely wicked man he is!

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Re: The Myths of Circumstantial Evidence
« Reply #272 on: December 18, 2016, 12:23:AM »
PC Mercer the police dog handlers account of the 7th of August.







You are missing the point!

You are presenting me with evidence I have already seen.

This was all part of his pity play in order to set the scene.

As I say; whilst you remain stuck and focused on your own theories and bias you are too quick to dismiss evidence that renders your arguments weak.

Further, was it his shock that made him brag to the officer about wanting a german shepherd whilst his sister was allegedly going beserk with a gun? Was it also the shock that had him forget to ever mention to anyone else, in 32 years, how bad he felt for having left the gun and ammu out?

32 years is a long time to reflect! Not one single mention of his regret for having left the gun out. Not one single mention of how if he hadn't left the gun out this tragedy may not have occurred. Becasue JEREMY BAMBER IS GUILTY!

Whilst the focus remains on the should haves and could haves regarding the twists and turns of his case, it keeps him in the spotlight. It gets him the attention he so desperately craves. And whilst he keeps his supporters focused on the flaws of his case (Which are common occurrences in most cases like this) the heat is taken off of him as a person. It keeps his true motives and intentions hidden. He uses him charm to convince people he is innocent because most people do not realise that murderers are quite likeable people. As bizarre as that sounds.



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Re: The Myths of Circumstantial Evidence
« Reply #273 on: December 18, 2016, 12:55:AM »
Jeremy does express regret/guilt of leaving the rifle out - Below is PC Mercer (the police dog handlers) account of the 7th of August.







Wheres the comment where he says its all his fault after being told his family are dead? Did you forget about that?

Why hasn't he voiced this EVER at anytime since?

32 years and NEVER has he showed remorse for his careless actions!?


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Re: The Myths of Circumstantial Evidence
« Reply #274 on: December 18, 2016, 01:02:AM »
Steve. Julie's testimony is perjury why remain in denial?
Firstly let me apologize for mixing up the alleged position of the rifle and the magazine. I have removed the post and though I believe the whole story is a concoction from beginning to end I have no wish to over-egg a pudding that has already been tasted and found unfit for human deglutition.

 I don't believe at the point Julie gave the testimony that she was in such a frame of mind to proffer any lies to law enforcement. I myself have undergone the experience of everyday life in the North of England to be whisked suddenly to inner city London, to be transformed on a conveyor belt of anxiety courtesy of the education system to the point that even the most phlegmatic individual can begin to doubt his or her own sanity. Fortunately for myself I did not have a Jeremy Bamber character in the foreground manipulating my emotions( the London schoolchildren were damaged enough), nor did I feel the need to resort to sleeping pills to numb the rollercoaster of emotions I felt at times engulfing my person.

Here is Julie, experiencing exactly what I was encountering on a daily basis: recalcitrant children who considered themselves grown-ups, though blissfully unaware how acutely vulnerable they were, whose own parents abrogated all responsibility yet their educator was somehow supposed to magically transform them into model citizens and get them through exams, when some days all they wished to do was listen to music through headphones and scream abuse more at one another than myself, yet she herself was teaching a strange timetable and new curriculum, making notes to satisfy the Headteacher and External Examiner(in my case a Modern Languages Advisor from the ILEA), spending the holidays furbishing Jeremy's cottage, doing his washing as well as her own, working at Sloppy Joe's and Maldon Growers and no doubt keeping an eye on her own family in the process.

Under these circumstances is it any wonder that Jeremy's true intentions slipped under the radar, that poisoned fruit of a diseased mind desperate to experience untrammelled pleasure from parents who had too late begun to draw in the reins?  No doubt Jeremy painted the sombrest picture of the Gresham's days and found in them the desired expedients of Nevill and June, and therein appropriated Julie's feelings and fettered her fate to his, a ransacked office at Osea Road testament to the sense of entitlement he felt from the debt owed for how he has been treated down the years.

Maybe Julie was playing her own hand in her own way, though surely not trailing him, and juggling so many balls in the air in an attempt to satisfy so many figures of authority that she became blinded to reality: Jeremy was her companion, yet a companion in whose emotions she had no part. As her eyes were drawn involuntarily to his indecipherable face,a Jeremy costumed in black felt only a sense of relief, emancipated from farm labour as he feigned the tears, yet once out of sight of the cameras his expression changed once more to the practicalities of his new status, whist Julie was left to wrestle with her conscience and the recognition of what a fool she had been.
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Re: The Myths of Circumstantial Evidence
« Reply #275 on: December 18, 2016, 01:09:AM »
Jeremy does express regret/guilt of leaving the rifle out - Below is PC Mercer (the police dog handlers) account of the 7th of August.






But why did he never repeat this during the interrogation of 10th and 11th September 1985? Could it be that he felt the noose tightening though with an instinct of self-preservation which now kicked in?

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Re: The Myths of Circumstantial Evidence
« Reply #276 on: December 18, 2016, 01:10:AM »
There's no getting away from this fact. Not one shred of guilt from him in 32 years over this crucial point of fact. Not an iota of regret!





And I guarantee there isn't a single letter in existence (Written to a supporter/or anyone else for that matter) where he has ever mentioned his remorse or carelessness for having left the gun and ammunition out. The facts speak for themselves. What a purely wicked man he is[/b]!



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Re: The Myths of Circumstantial Evidence
« Reply #277 on: December 18, 2016, 01:12:AM »
I don't believe at the point Julie gave the testimony that she was in such a frame of mind to proffer any lies to law enforcement. I myself have undergone the experience of everyday life in the North of England to be whisked suddenly to inner city London, to be transformed on a conveyor belt of anxiety courtesy of the education system to the point that even the most phlegmatic individual can begin to doubt his or her own sanity. Fortunately for myself I did not have a Jeremy Bamber character in the foreground manipulating my emotions( the London schoolchildren were damaged enough), nor did I feel the need to resort to sleeping pills to numb the rollercoaster of emotions I felt at times engulfing my person.

Here is Julie, experiencing exactly what I was encountering on a daily basis: recalcitrant children who considered themselves grown-ups, though blissfully unaware how acutely vulnerable they were, whose own parents abrogated all responsibility yet their educator was somehow supposed to magically transform them into model citizens and get them through exams, when some days all they wished to do was listen to music through headphones and scream abuse more at one another than myself, yet she herself was teaching a strange timetable and new curriculum, making notes to satisfy the Headteacher and External Examiner(in my case a Modern Languages Advisor from the ILEA), spending the holidays furbishing Jeremy's cottage, doing his washing as well as her own, working at Sloppy Joe's and Maldon Growers and no doubt keeping an eye on her own family in the process.

Under these circumstances is it any wonder that Jeremy's true intentions slipped under the radar, that poisoned fruit of a diseased mind desperate to experience untrammelled pleasure from parents who had too late begun to draw in the reins?  No doubt Jeremy painted the sombrest picture of the Gresham's days and found in them the desired expedients of Nevill and June, and therein appropriated Julie's feelings and fettered her fate to his, a ransacked office at Osea Road testament to the sense of entitlement he felt from the debt owed for how he has been treated down the years.

Maybe Julie was playing her own hand in her own way, though surely not trailing him, and juggling so many balls in the air in an attempt to satisfy so many figures of authority that she became blinded to reality: Jeremy was her companion, yet a companion in whose emotions she had no part. As her eyes were drawn involuntarily to his indecipherable face,a Jeremy costumed in black felt only a sense of relief, emancipated from farm labour as he feigned the tears, yet once out of sight of the cameras his expression changed once more to the practicalities of his new status, whist Julie was left to wrestle with her conscience and the recognition of what a fool she had been.

In other words she had been groomed http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7980.msg379292.html#msg379292
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Re: The Myths of Circumstantial Evidence
« Reply #278 on: December 18, 2016, 01:14:AM »
Wheres the comment where he says its all his fault after being told his family are dead? Did you forget about that?

Why hasn't he voiced this EVER at anytime since?

32 years and NEVER has he showed remorse for his careless actions!?











Yes David, I've seen it but

Why hasn't he voiced this EVER at anytime since?

32 years and NEVER has he showed remorse for his careless actions!?
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Re: The Myths of Circumstantial Evidence
« Reply #279 on: December 18, 2016, 01:14:AM »





The above quote is taken from that first fateful day at Bourtree Cottage with the aftermath of five slain fresh in people's minds. It smacks of an attempt at exculpation whilst still playing the victim and to my knowledge has never been repeated since.
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Re: The Myths of Circumstantial Evidence
« Reply #280 on: December 18, 2016, 01:22:AM »




The above quote is taken from that first fateful day at Bourtree Cottage with the aftermath of five slain fresh in people's minds. It smacks of an attempt at exculpation whilst still playing the victim and to my knowledge has never been repeated since.

Maybe the campaign team should pay to have Jeremy Bambers comments following the murders analysed?

Surely; "I wish I hadn't done it would have been enough?

Why the "Did I?" at the end?

Sounds childlike.

Also sounds like his rhetorical question means much more to him than the person on the receiving end would have realised.

Jeremy Bamber leaves clues of his guilt in much of what he says and does and it's when you are able to spot these clues, you are given a brief glimpse of what lies beneath the mask.
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Re: The Myths of Circumstantial Evidence
« Reply #281 on: December 18, 2016, 01:29:AM »
Maybe the campaign team should pay to have Jeremy Bambers comments following the murders analysed?

Surely; "I wish I hadn't done it would have been enough?

Why the "Did I?" at the end?

Sounds childlike.

Also sounds like his rhetorical question means much more to him than the person on the receiving end would have realised.

There is a bigger question that should be asked in respect to PC Mercer's statement. At that point, the raid team hadn't gone inside, so how did Jeremy know that the rifle he left out was the murder weapon? He said "I feel bad, I was using THE rifle last night shooting rabbits". Then he also fits in that he had shown her how to use it.
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Re: The Myths of Circumstantial Evidence
« Reply #282 on: December 18, 2016, 01:42:AM »
There is a bigger question that should be asked in respect to PC Mercer's statement. At that point, the raid team hadn't gone inside, so how did Jeremy know that the rifle he left out was the murder weapon? He said "I feel bad, I was using THE rifle last night shooting rabbits". Then he also fits in that he had shown her how to use it.

Thanks for this Caroline! Is there a thread highlighting this crucial fact alone?

It's all there! Just as SH's was!

There was an interview SH's mother gave to the BBC following his conviction being upheld on appeal in Jan 2011. I was annoyed with her interview because she lied. She lied that she was in contact with SH's legal team, and that they would carry on the fight. She wasn't fighting. She had done nothing for years!

At the time my bias (And other distractions) stopped me from seeing SH's guilt. My focus was on his mother but for the wrong reasons. It was all there but others failed to pick up on it also.

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Re: The Myths of Circumstantial Evidence
« Reply #283 on: December 18, 2016, 01:43:AM »
Thanks for this Caroline! Is there a thread highlighting this crucial fact alone?

It's all there! Just as SH's was!

There was an interview SH's mother gave to the BBC following his conviction being upheld on appeal in Jan 2011. I was annoyed with her interview because she lied. She lied that she was in contact with SH's legal team, and that they would carry on the fight. She wasn't fighting. She had done nothing for years!

At the time my bias (And other distractions) stopped me from seeing SH's guilt. My focus was on his mother but for the wrong reasons. It was all there but others failed to pick up on it also.

No, I have just noticed it.
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Re: The Myths of Circumstantial Evidence
« Reply #284 on: December 18, 2016, 01:46:AM »
No, I have just noticed it.

Well done you!!

It needs a new thread all of it's own!

And maybe it's time someone like you went to the press to put an end to this farce! These facts need highlighting to Jeremy Bambers new victims imo. I've had a brief look at Trudi's recent vlogs and I feel sorry for her. She's repeating some of the same mistakes I made.
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