The Myths of Circumstantial Evidence

[lookout]

Are you saying that the responsibility -for putting away a gun he'd been using- wasn't Jeremy's?

It's in one of the books that Neville put the guns away at night. Seemingly,this is what he did religiously. It could have been by way of a count to make sure all his guns were collected from those who'd used them,as well as for safety purposes,particularly if the children were staying.

[Jane]

I doubt it was June who busied herself with the needs of her children, except when they were liable to bring shame on the family and the ulterior motive was in evidence.

I concur, Steve. The girls they hired to look after the babies would have done that. The housekeeper would have picked up where they left off. Undoubtedly there'd have been help during the holidays.

[Jane]

It's in one of the books that Neville put the guns away at night. Seemingly,this is what he did religiously. It could have been by way of a count to make sure all his guns were collected from those who'd used them,as well as for safety purposes,particularly if the children were staying.

Are you saying that you don't believe -that at 24- Jeremy should have been responsible for the gun he'd been using? I'm not inclined, as you know, to take for granted, what's said in books about Bamber family life. There was no one to verify it.

[notsure]

I notice you haven't addressed the point -the HUGELY important point- raised by Steve, regarding Jeremy's lack of concern that it was the gun HE'D allegedly left out which had been responsible for 5 deaths. Lack of maturity doesn't come into it. My friend's husband ran competition shoots for under 16's and they all observed gun safety. Notsure, I get the feeling that you're emotionally aware so I'm expecting more than it wasn't Jeremy's fault and someone else could have put it away. However, it's the response I'd expect from Jeremy.

I don't regard it as a hugely important point . We don't know if it was quite normal for guns to be left out and Neville put them away each evening.
Wasn't there other guns also out of cupboards.
Where was the rest of the families sadness, they certainly weren't showing much though Jane, thier total focus was getting the police to believe in killed everyone. No time for any grief?

[lookout]

I doubt it was June who busied herself with the needs of her children, except when they were liable to bring shame on the family and the ulterior motive was in evidence.

Judging by the haplessness of Sheila and Jeremy,I'd have said that June also did a lot of running around after them,without either having to lift a finger to do anything. I bet Sheila could just about boil an egg after she'd married and I bet Jeremy couldn't boil water as he seemed to be always eating out. And the one sliver of bacon he ate on " that morning " wouldn't have kept a bird alive.

[Jane]

I don't regard it as a hugely important point . We don't know if it was quite normal for guns to be left out and Neville put them away each evening.
Wasn't there other guns also out of cupboards.
Where was the rest of the families sadness, they certainly weren't showing much though Jane, thier total focus was getting the police to believe in killed everyone. No time for any grief?

It wasn't any of them who had left out the gun which killed their family. Hedge the question all you like, Notsure, but, at 24, would YOU have blamed another family member for not putting away something you were responsible for, which had caused injury to others?

[lookout]

Are you saying that you don't believe -that at 24- Jeremy should have been responsible for the gun he'd been using? I'm not inclined, as you know, to take for granted, what's said in books about Bamber family life. There was no one to verify it.

Just like there's no-one to verify whether Neville did/did not put the guns away that night ?

[lookout]

That point isn't worth arguing about for none of us know whether or not Neville put the guns away.

[Jane]

Just like there's no-one to verify whether Neville did/did not put the guns away that night ?

So you're saying that a 24 year old man has no need to feel any responsibility for the fact that a gun he left out was responsible for 5 deaths. So laid back about it, in fact, that there appears to have been no mention of it.

[Jane]

That point isn't worth arguing about for none of us know whether or not Neville put the guns away.

But I wasn't asking about what Nevill may -or not- have done. Jeremy had used the gun, ergo, at 24, it was Jeremy's responsibility. You appear to have absolved him of all responsibility, choosing to place it on Nevill.

[lookout]

So you're saying that a 24 year old man has no need to feel any responsibility for the fact that a gun he left out was responsible for 5 deaths. So laid back about it, in fact, that there appears to have been no mention of it.

There's no mention of it because JB had naturally assumed and took it for granted that his father would have done it.
EP and those who follow them would like to think it had been left out purposely because it fitted their scenario. Look how it was first stated that it had been left on the kitchen table.Where,or who did that come from ? Though it could well have been,except it wouldn't have been left there by JB.
So what's it to be,kitchen table or settle ?

[Jane]

There's no mention of it because JB had naturally assumed and took it for granted that his father would have done it.
EP and those who follow them would like to think it had been left out purposely because it fitted their scenario. Look how it was first stated that it had been left on the kitchen table.Where,or who did that come from ? Though it could well have been,except it wouldn't have been left there by JB.
So what's it to be,kitchen table or settle ?

It was probably HERE that the story of the gun being left on the kitchen table originated. I find it very hard to swallow -and I can't imagine that you WOULDN'T if the boot was on the other foot- that a man of 24, who'd been to boarding school, had traveled to the other side of the world and had his own home, would take it for granted that his father would clear up after him as if he was a child.

[Steve_uk]

It was probably HERE that the story of the gun being left on the kitchen table originated. I find it very hard to swallow -and I can't imagine that you WOULDN'T if the boot was on the other foot- that a man of 24, who'd been to boarding school, had traveled to the other side of the world and had his own home, would take it for granted that his father would clear up after him as if he was a child.

..and he never blamed Nevill, never talked about it, was never curious, never speculated if you don't believe Julie's story, reluctant to visit the scene of the massacre, but so willing to make an appointment with Basil Cock.

[Caroline]

There's no mention of it because JB had naturally assumed and took it for granted that his father would have done it.
EP and those who follow them would like to think it had been left out purposely because it fitted their scenario. Look how it was first stated that it had been left on the kitchen table.Where,or who did that come from ? Though it could well have been,except it wouldn't have been left there by JB.
So what's it to be,kitchen table or settle ?

It came from Jeremy! 

[lookout]

It was probably HERE that the story of the gun being left on the kitchen table originated. I find it very hard to swallow -and I can't imagine that you WOULDN'T if the boot was on the other foot- that a man of 24, who'd been to boarding school, had traveled to the other side of the world and had his own home, would take it for granted that his father would clear up after him as if he was a child.

It was actually on the red forum where I first saw it and they're always right,aren't they ? It would certainly tie-in with my thoughts if that had been the case. I wonder !

Well my own mother did everything for bro. and me,even down to polishing our shoes for school and then as bro.got older and was in work,she carried on doing his washing,etc. My uniform was done at the hospital laundry so she didn't do that. It's surprising what some mothers did and still do,though to a lesser degree I imagine.