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[mike tesko]

I do not believe that the shooter would have needed to reload any of the guns at the scene after the first full load of the anshuzt rifle was emptied of its bullets, by any othsr type of bullets than had been tipped out on the kitchen worktop, so with this in mind there was no opportunity  for any double marked rounds to have been loaded into the gun once the shootings started, since all the rounds on the kitchen worktop were new bullets...

[lookout]

Isn't there anyone with the guts, and or, influence who can get this case off the ground ? It's remained static for years now and doesn't appear to move any further.
If Jeremy was the " actor " he was purported to have been,why hasn't he been causing mayhem and shouting, to gain attention to his terrible plight ? How he's remained patient all these years beats me !

[scipio_usmc]

This is the way I see the first full load of the guns bullets having been discharged:-

(1) June main bedroom, pop, (2) June main bedroom,pop, (3) June main bedroom,pop, (4) June main bedroom,pop, (5) June main bedroom,pop, (6) *** Ralph main bedroom, pop...

(7) *** Daniel Twins room, pop, ( *** Nicholas Twins room, pop

(9) *** June main bedroom, pop

(1) *** Ralph kitchen, pop...


*** - represents double magazine marked cartridge cases

You already posted this broken record nonsense countless times.  No matter how many times you posted it has already been rebutted and has been exposed as nonsense.

That's how you see it in order to pretend that the gun was loaded with 5 rounds when Jeremy picked it up.  It makes zero sense from any standpoint though.  To shoot Nevill 1 time and then leave him to go run to arm himself as she went after the kids with a single shot is ludicrous and to return to shoot them later with more rounds after they were dead is also ludicrous.  The order of the shots were 6 into June in the master bedroom 4 into Nevill/ gun reloaded 4 into Nevill in the kitchen/ gun reloaded full with 1 already in the chamber so 11 total in the gun of which 8 were used on the boys, 1 on June and 2 on Sheila.  There 5 double loaded bullets were spread over all 3 reloads.  Your bias doesn't overcome the reality.

Further you ignore the reality that bullets left in the gun previously would have had single loading marks.  Your entire premise that bullets left in the gun would have double loading marks is wrong. 

Further if his claims were true the initial case would have markings indicating it had been loaded twice because he claimed he loaded it twice into the magazine.  So that leaves only 4 cases that could have been double marked at the outset of things. You lied and made up another to pretend there were 6. That just shows you don't even believe the broken record BS you are peddling.  You are intentionally making up things to fool us into believing Jeremy is innocent.

[scipio_usmc]

Isn't there anyone with the guts, and or, influence who can get this case off the ground ? It's remained static for years now and doesn't appear to move any further.
If Jeremy was the " actor " he was purported to have been,why hasn't he been causing mayhem and shouting, to gain attention to his terrible plight ? How he's remained patient all these years beats me !

Get what off the ground?  Everything you post about the case is erroneous.  Your opinion of Jeremy's innocence is based on your own biases and woeful ignorance of the facts of the case.  Anytime the real facts are posted you ignore them and deny them because of your bias. It is totally unrealistic to decide to live in fantasy land and yet expect peopel to be able to get courts to act on the basis of claims you decide to beleive that are not untrue such as you continuous broken record claims about June and Nevill having nail marks fro Sheila in their arms.  No matter how many times the autopsy information is posted to prove you wrong you ignore it and make the claims anyway.  How do you expect the defense to prove something to a court that is just in your mind?  You certainly can't testify for the defense.

You can try fooling yourself into thinking he is innocent all you want but you should face that all that is going to accomplish is fooling yourself.  You can also fool yourself into expecting his release but that expectation will never come to fruition.

Hiding from reality offers solace to some people who can't hack it but I prefer facing reality whether I like it or not.

 

[lookout]

Get what off the ground?  Everything you post about the case is erroneous.  Your opinion of Jeremy's innocence is based on your own biases and woeful ignorance of the facts of the case.  Anytime the real facts are posted you ignore them and deny them because of your bias. It is totally unrealistic to decide to live in fantasy land and yet expect peopel to be able to get courts to act on the basis of claims you decide to beleive that are not untrue such as you continuous broken record claims about June and Nevill having nail marks fro Sheila in their arms.  No matter how many times the autopsy information is posted to prove you wrong you ignore it and make the claims anyway.  How do you expect the defense to prove something to a court that is just in your mind?  You certainly can't testify for the defense.

You can try fooling yourself into thinking he is innocent all you want but you should face that all that is going to accomplish is fooling yourself.  You can also fool yourself into expecting his release but that expectation will never come to fruition.

Hiding from reality offers solace to some people who can't hack it but I prefer facing reality whether I like it or not.

Nothing to do with bias nor my ignorance. Or not facing reality either.
Perhaps if SJ and Co. had done his/their work properly and not relied on just his" gut-feeling" ( as he'd said ) that Jeremy was guilty. We can all have gut feelings but it doesn't mean to say we're right.


There's more to this case than just your knowledge of guns and bullets which is secondary to how this massacre began in the first place. 

[Jane]

Nothing to do with bias nor my ignorance. Or not facing reality either.
Perhaps if SJ and Co. had done his/their work properly and not relied on just his" gut-feeling" ( as he'd said ) that Jeremy was guilty. We can all have gut feelings but it doesn't mean to say we're right.


There's more to this case than just your knowledge of guns and bullets which is secondary to how this massacre began in the first place.

The same can, surely, also be said of your own "gut feelings" re Jeremy's innocence. Actually as you seem to be more convinced of it that the rest of us, if they were to put you on the stand to testify on his behalf, what WOULD you say to convince the court of his innocence.

[scipio_usmc]

Nothing to do with bias nor my ignorance. Or not facing reality either.
Perhaps if SJ and Co. had done his/their work properly and not relied on just his" gut-feeling" ( as he'd said ) that Jeremy was guilty. We can all have gut feelings but it doesn't mean to say we're right.


There's more to this case than just your knowledge of guns and bullets which is secondary to how this massacre began in the first place.

Solid evidence was used to convict Jeremy not gut feelings.  You rely on gut feelings to believe Jeremy is a great guy who would never have done this and thus believe he is innocent.  Anytime the evidence ifs discussed you just ignore it in favor of your gut impressions.

At some point you have to wake up and realize that such can't be used by the defense to secure a new trial.  The defense needs hard evidence to get the conviction vacated. Defense lawyers are not miracle workers.  No one supporting Jeremy has come up with any hard evidence that undercuts the conviction. Pro-Jeremy supporters just raise allegations they can't prove or that don't matter int he grand scheme of things.  Most efforts of Jeremy supporters are outside of court to try to raise his public perception stature as opposed to actually helping him in any real legal sense.

[Jan]

None of us think gut feelings are going to release Jeremy . We all have to wait for the next submission. We all understand that unless something new has been discovered nothing is going to happen. End of .

[lookout]

The same can, surely, also be said of your own "gut feelings" re Jeremy's innocence. Actually as you seem to be more convinced of it that the rest of us, if they were to put you on the stand to testify on his behalf, what WOULD you say to convince the court of his innocence.

I certainly wouldn't JUST be relying on gut feeling before having studied the rest of the family,as NOBODY else seemed bothered about them whether they had motives or not. I wouldn't have left a stone unturned.

[scipio_usmc]

None of us think gut feelings are going to release Jeremy . We all have to wait for the next submission. We all understand that unless something new has been discovered nothing is going to happen. End of .

Why do people even thing there will be anything of use in another submission given the crap that failed in the last one?  The defense used up anything even remotely helpful in the past particularly the 2002 and earlier appeals. The only things that could help Jeremy at this point would be Julie changing her claims or someone who worked on the criminal investigation coming forward with allegations of key evidence being doctored by them or co-workers.

[Caroline]

I certainly wouldn't JUST be relying on gut feeling before having studied the rest of the family,as NOBODY else seemed bothered about them whether they had motives or not. I wouldn't have left a stone unturned.

It doesn't matter if they had motive or not. The phone call makes the killer either Jeremy or Sheila. You can waste you time looking for motives under stones if you like - but the call makes it one or the other.

[lookout]

It doesn't matter if they had motive or not. The phone call makes the killer either Jeremy or Sheila. You can waste you time looking for motives under stones if you like - but the call makes it one or the other.

So everyone plumps for the one left standing-------------Jeremy.

Why choose between the two of them ? Why was Sheila's name mentioned at all,especially as it had been noted that she was incapable ?

[scipio_usmc]

It doesn't matter if they had motive or not. The phone call makes the killer either Jeremy or Sheila. You can waste you time looking for motives under stones if you like - but the call makes it one or the other.

Maybe lookout watched too much Tube and subscribes to the following:

A) the relatives did it for the money

B) They forced Nevill to make the call to Jeremy to sucker Jeremy there so they could kill him too (for some reason not fearing he would summon police and thus get caught at the scene) and either frame him for it or Sheila and for some reason actually Nevill complied and summoned Jeremy

C) Jeremy didn't rush over as hoped but instead for some reason called Julie then finally decided to look up police numbers

D) In the meantime they got scared because the amount of time that passed and feared being caught at the scene so framed it on Sheila and split

If one is totally under Jeremy's spell they ignore how unlikely it is that someone would risk Jeremy alerting police instead of going over alone to be killed and how unlikely it is that Nevill would comply.  Also how unlikely it is that June would be in bed during all of this so that Nevill could be marched upstairs and shot with June before running back to the kitchen.

[guest154]

So everyone plumps for the one left standing-------------Jeremy.

Why choose between the two of them ? Why was Sheila's name mentioned at all,especially as it had been noted that she was incapable ?

Because Jeremy claims his Dad phoned to say SHEILA had gone crazy with a gun, Lookout.

[Jane]

So everyone plumps for the one left standing-------------Jeremy.

Why choose between the two of them ? Why was Sheila's name mentioned at all,especially as it had been noted that she was incapable ?

f you recall, Lookout, JEREMY said his father had said she'd gone crazy and had the gun. Effectively it was JEREMY who bought Sheila in to the equation.