A paradox - with rifle at bedroom window, one bullet case too many linked to She

[mike tesko]

Now, let us try to reconstruct the events around the very first full load of the anshuzt rifle. There are two ways we can adopt in our assessment (1), that the first full load had 10 rounds in it, and (2), it had 11...

Using (1) as the bench mark, it might still involve (a) one round in the breech of the rifle, with the other 9 rounds in the ammunition magazine, or simply (b) all 10 rounds inside the ammunition magazine. On the other hand using (2) one round would be in the breech of the gun, with (a) the other 10 rounds all being in the ammunition magazine.

Let's start off with proposition (1) (a)

The 10 live rounds would have been loaded into the magazine in the following order, first round (1) inside the breech of the rifle, second round (2) in position (1) inside the magazine. Third round (3) in position (2) inside the magazine. Fourth round (4) in position (3) inside the magazine. Fifth round (5) in position (4) inside the magazine, so on and so forth until the last bullet loaded into the magazine of the rifle. These first five rounds that I have just been talking about are the 5 rounds which had got the double magazine markings upon them...

[scipio_usmc]

No, I did not get the source of my information originally from that officers report, I found out from Jeremy himself through discussion with him whilst we were both serving prison at HMP Full Sutton. This was long before the report you mention was even disclosed after the failed 2002 appeal, which was the very first time it came into Jeremy's and then my possession.

It is not a report it is a statement from Jones. This was known at the time of the trial. The police statements and pocketbooks were provided to the defense.

Moreover, a month later during Jeremy's interrogation he said he had no recollection of speaking to Jones and Jones on the evening of the 9th or what they discussed he just vaguely knew they spoke at some point. His memory improved years later?

In any event It does make mention in the linked report to the fact that there was only 30 bullets (full rounds) discovered at the scene, hence only 20 unaccounted for amongst the live rounds spilled out on the kitchen worktop information obtained from other sources, including photographs (showing kitchen worktop), and that police spoke in general terms about that which I had conversations with Jeremy about, namely that the police wanted any information they could get about where 5 bullets had originated from? Jeremy told me that he had told DCI Jones, and DS Jones, that the only explanation he could think of at that time, was that there must have been 5 rounds already in the gun when he had picked it up and handled it just before leaving the farm on the evening of the 6th August 1985.

That isn't what he said at trial and isn't what he told the police. He failed to provide any explanation to the police about the extra rounds.  He insisted the gun was empty when he picked it up.  His whole story is demolished by the claim the gun had bullets in it.  He claimed he got the box of bullets out because the gun was empty.  He said he was in a big rush to load it as quickly as possible because he wanted to go get the rabbits.  if the gun already had 5 rounds in it he would have had no need to get the bullets out and to dump them out in the kitchen and then load the magazine.

Moreover, they always unloaded the magazine before putting the gun away so saying the gun already was loaded is not credible.

his is why he didn't tell this tale to police or at trial.  You and he brainstormed this later perhaps while trying to make up something for him to use on appeal but contrary to your claims it doesn't help him.  That is why he dropped you, your imagination doesn't help him it hurt.

     
I do not need you or anybody trying to tell me what Jeremy and myself discussed on many occasions together, both at the time we were both serving prisoners together, and later after my release from custody on bail pending my own appeal. I know what Jeremy said to me about what the police had asked him about those 5 so called additional bullets, and the other discussions which developed from this matter between Jeremy and myself. He did speak to Jones and Jones, on the 9th August 1985, about 5 bullets and 5 spent cartridge cases, and that is a fact. You suggestion that the police did not speak to Jeremy or him to me about these 5 bullets is untrue and absurd. Of course he spoke to Jones and Jones about them on the 9th August 1985, and he spoke with me on many  occasions about the very same 5 additional bullets. This led to both Jeremy and myself discussing other issues relating to these particular 5 bullets and the corresponding 5 cartridge cases found at the scene. It led to us discussing how these 5 rounds had been positioned inside the gun itself, for example, were there 4 in the actual magazine and one in the breech? Or, as the case may be, were all 5 of these rounds all loaded into and still remaining in the rifles magazine at the time Jeremy got the brand new box of 50 rounds from the gun cupboard, removed the cellathane wrapper from the box and had proceeded to load the magazine up until it was full? The order where these additional rounds sat in the gun and its ammunition Magazine, for obvious reasons (to me). At that stage Jeremy did not associate these 5 additional bullets to the 5 lighter WHOLE bullets referred to by Fletcher amongst the batch of 12 WHOLE bullets found at the scene (the other 7 WHOLE bullets  all being heavier than the standard 35 grain (type) .22 bullets sold to Ralph Bamber in November 1984. What I was interested in at that time was if there was any way These additional 5 rounds could be identified at the scene or inside the bodies of the victims? This to me at that time on that occasion became a mission of mine. I reasoned that pinpointing those 5 so called additional rounds at the scene or elsewhere was really only a matter of trying to reconstruct the position in the gun or its magazine, and the sequence with which in the grand scheme of things these 5 additional bullets had been fired? Along the way during my own research into this matter, it suddenly dawned on me that I had what I shall refer to as a 'EUREKA' moment. This was when I found out that 5 cartridge cases recovered from the scene had got double magazine markings on them, which I reasoned must have been already in the gun before Jeremy had as he maintains loaded up the rifles ammunition magazine with new bullets, new bullets which would later be fired during the shootings. These additional 5 bullets must be the ones which had the double magazine marks on the corresponding cartridge cases recovered from the scene. I managed to find out the location and the position inside the farmhouse where these 5 corresponding double marked cartridge cases had been found and recovered from - the main bedroom, the twins room, and the main kitchen. I brought these facts to Jeremy's attention, I said to him that the distribution pattern of these 5 double marked cases based on his testimony to the police and myself, indicated that all the victims had been shot with a least one of these double marked rounds (cartridge cases), I said which provided an insight into what had really taken place at the time of the shootings. It seemed to me, that the shooter had shot the victims with a solitary bullet in a sequence which explained the eventual position and location of the 5 double marked cartridge cases at the scene, or in other words (pop) main bedroom, (pop) twins room, (pop) in the main kitchen, as though the shooter had returned to each of the victims with the intention if making sure they were all dead, even if they already were...

Your honesty is in serious doubt. You make up claims of having seen photos that clearly don't exist and thus your accounts of your supposed interactions with Jeremy are hardly worth believing unquestionably.

What you make up doesn't help Jeremy because you make up wild things that don't help him and you don't even bother to try reaming true to his prior claims.  He stated the box was open already not sealed.  Your claim it was sealed hurts it doesn't help because 1 of the 30 rounds in the box had been previously loaded into the magazine then unloaded. This means it is not possible for the box to have been sealed and if he had claimed such it would have been demonstrated as a lie. As you point out 5 rounds used in the murders had also been previously loaded and unloaded from the magazine prior to the murders. 

This doesn't prove that they were already in the magazine at the time Jeremy picked up the gun. On the contrary it proves that instead of being left in the gun they were removed and then reloaded on a subsequent date.  Furthermore, they were clearly not all loaded the same time.  The 5 casings were connected to different shooting episodes- they were found in different rooms.  I already pointed this out to you previously. Instead of going back to the drawing board when your claims fall apart you stand by them.  This is another attribute that makes you useless to Jeremy. Jeremy adapts his claims to try to meet the evidence - at least to some extent.  You are a horrible liar you always give yourself away.  Some people are good at lying in that they can make up lies that are hard to detect and hard to rebut but you are not among such elite.  You don't bother trying to think through your lies fully- you don't think of the larger ramifications or about other evidence that contradict it such as Jeremy putting in his statement that the box was not sealed and saying the gun was empty which is why he needed to get a box out to load it and was worried about them getting away so he tipped the bullets out to speed the loading. 

If the various statements were not available here then we would be as blind as the public at large and have no way to evaluate the claims you make.  But given such evidence is posted here and we can see your claims are not true it would behoove you to actually think before you post.  We have read and absorbed much of the evidence posted here so you need to dig deeper than the crap you keep coming out with.

Moreover you need to use some common sense.  For instance, if the 5 bullets in the gun had been there already then they would simply have been loaded once.  Saying they were loaded twice cuts against them having been left in the gun. The fact they were found in different rooms means they were not loaded consecutively.  This further damages your theory they had been in the gun prior. If they had been in the gun prior they would be rounds 6-10 and thus all would have been in the master bedroom.

Stop insulting our intelligence and put some thought into it if you are going to lie to us.   

[mike tesko]

Now, let us try to reconstruct the events around the very first full load of the anshuzt rifle. There are two ways we can adopt in our assessment (1), that the first full load had 10 rounds in it, and (2), it had 11...

Using (1) as the bench mark, it might still involve (a) one round in the breech of the rifle, with the other 9 rounds in the ammunition magazine, or simply (b) all 10 rounds inside the ammunition magazine. On the other hand using (2) one round would be in the breech of the gun, with (a) the other 10 rounds all being in the ammunition magazine.

Let's start off with proposition (1) (a)

The 10 live rounds would have been loaded into the magazine in the following order, first round (1) inside the breech of the rifle, second round (2) in position (1) inside the magazine. Third round (3) in position (2) inside the magazine. Fourth round (4) in position (3) inside the magazine. Fifth round (5) in position (4) inside the magazine, so on and so forth until the last bullet loaded into the magazine of the rifle. These first five rounds that I have just been talking about are the 5 rounds which had got the double magazine markings upon them...

Jeremy fully loads the magazine with 5 new rounds from the new box of 50. These 5 new rounds were loaded n positions 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9, in the ammunition magazine. The loading process 1 to 9 inside the ammunition magazine, would eventually be fired in reverse order, so that the last bullet loaded by Jeremy into the magazine would be the first fired during the shootings, the 8th round loaded would be the second bullet fired, the 7th round loaded would be the third fired, the 6th round loaded, the 4th fired from the gun, the fifth loaded would have been the fifth fired (thus accounting for five bullets eachbwith only one set of magazine marks upon them. The following 5 rounds fired from the first load of the gun and its magazines thus having two sets of magazine marks upon them. Therefore shots 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10, would all have double magazine marks on the 5 corresponding cartridge cases. This is important because by reference to the position and location of the 5 double marked cartridge cases, gives us a unique insight into what had taken place...

Five consecutive shots fired somewhere inside the farmhouse, followed by discharge of the anshuzt by 5 consecutively double marked cartridge casings found inside the main bedroom the children's bedroom and the main kitchen

[scipio_usmc]

Jeremy fully loads the magazine with 5 new rounds from the new box of 50. These 5 new rounds were loaded n positions 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9, in the ammunition magazine. The loading process 1 to 9 inside the ammunition magazine, would eventually be fired in reverse order, so that the last bullet loaded by Jeremy into the magazine would be the first fired during the shootings, the 8th round loaded would be the second bullet fired, the 7th round loaded would be the third fired, the 6th round loaded, the 4th fired from the gun, the fifth loaded would have been the fifth fired (thus accounting for five bullets eachbwith only one set of magazine marks upon them. The following 5 rounds fired from the first load of the gun and its magazines thus having two sets of magazine marks upon them. Therefore shots 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10, would all have double magazine marks on the 5 corresponding cartridge cases. This is important because by reference to the position and location of the 5 double marked cartridge cases, gives us a unique insight into what had taken place...

Five consecutive shots fired somewhere inside the farmhouse, followed by discharge of the anshuzt by 5 consecutively double marked cartridge casings found inside the main bedroom the children's bedroom and the main kitchen

Clearly shots 6-10 were fired in the master bedroom. However, the 5 casings with double marks were not all fired in the master bedroom. Only 2 were fired in the master bedroom. (DRH/8 and 43)  2 were fired in the room the twins were killed in (DRH/38 and 39).  The final one (DRH/19) was in the kitchen.

In the kitchen the gun was empty until after Nevill was knocked out and the killer could reload.  During that reloading is when a bullet that had been loaded prior and unloaded was reloaded by the killer.

After killing Nevill the killer reloaded and 2 further bullets which had been loaded/unloaded previously that had been loaded and were used to kill the boys.  They were not all in a row they were loaded over the course of the event.  1 bullet that had been loaded/unloaded prior was not used in the crimes and still remained among the batch of unused ammunition. 

The fact these 6 had been loaded previously and unloaded doesn't in any way help support your claim they had been sitting in the gun already when Jeremy picked it up. They establish the opposite- that they had been unloaded not left in the gun.

The fact they had been unloaded prior holds no significance with respect to the murders because Jeremy didn't claim the box was sealed.  If he had claimed such he would have been further screwed because there is no way bullets previously loaded into the Anschutz would have been in a sealed package and this would be proof he was lying about it being sealed. But he avoided that pitfall.

[mike tesko]

It is not a report it is a statement from Jones. This was known at the time of the trial. The police statements and pocketbooks were provided to the defense.

Moreover, a month later during Jeremy's interrogation he said he had no recollection of speaking to Jones and Jones on the evening of the 9th or what they discussed he just vaguely knew they spoke at some point. His memory improved years later?

That is not true, and in any event in those days during interview an accused did not have to answer any question put to him during interview, it was his statutory right not to provide any answers about anything. Additionally, it might depend upon how the questions might have been phrased by any interviewing officer, as to why he might have chosen not to reply


That isn't what he said at trial (He wasn't specifically asked during his trial about the 5 additional bullets or the 5 double magazine marked cartridge cases, so I don't see what point you are trying to get at)and isn't what he told the police When you say what he told the police, I am nuclear to which occasion you are referring to, because on the 9th August 1985, Jeremy did certainly tell the police about bullets already being loaded up in the rifles magazine, but during interview a month later, he simply wasn't asked. He failed to provide any explanation to the police about the extra rounds.  He wasn't asked directly regarding this matter, so there it is in a nutshell, you are altering the truth, by couching your argument in an ambiguous the gun was empty when he picked it up No, it wasn't, get your facts right.  His whole story is demolished by the claim the gun had bullets in it No, it isn't, he told the truth.  He claimed he got the box of bullets out because the gun was emptyNo, he did not, you are altering the truth again.  He said he was in a big rush to load it as quickly as possible because he wanted to go get the rabbits He may have said that but at the time he was in a rush he had not yet handled the rifle, or known, in fact, how many bullets, if any were already loaded into the guns ammunition magazine.  if the gun already had 5 rounds in it he would have had no need to get the bullets out and to dump them out in the kitchen and then load the magazine But, that is what he did, it indicates that before he picked the rifle up that evening, he did not know the rifle already had these 5 rounds in its magazine.

Moreover, they always unloaded the magazine before putting the gun away so saying the gun already was loaded is not credible You don't know who handled the gun before it was last put away, or where those additional 5 rounds already loaded up in the magazine of the gun had come from. Don't try to alter or change the true facts, as known by all parties concerned.

This is why he didn't tell this tale to policeIt was not a tale, he did speak to police about this on the 9th August 1985, and as a result of this, police took no further actionor at trial.  You and he brainstormed this later No, we did notperhaps while trying to make up something for him to use on appealnot true, you are making stories up, and trying to change the truth but contrary to your claims it doesn't help himIt's got nothing to do with trying to help him, because I am giving a truthful and an accurate answer.  That is why he dropped youNo, again you are altering the truth to try and make a claim that is not valid. I do not like the term you have used by suggesting that he dropped me, because he didn't, the truth is, after our last visit I decided not to visit him, or write to him any more, your imagination doesn't help himOn the contrary, my approach to matters involving his case do help him, and have helped him considerably. He has never once said to me that nothing I did on his behalf was not raised or looked at with a view of trying to do him some harm it hurtLots of things in life hurt, but you get on with life, it doesn't alter the truth, these things just make you reflect on things looking for answers.

Your honesty is in serious doubtNo, it is not. You make up claims of having seen photos that clearly don't existWhich do exist and thus your accounts of your supposed interactions with Jeremy are hardly worth believingI am not concerned with what you believe, I know the truth, you just make things up without any evidence, it's laughable unquestionably.

What you make upI beg your pardon? I don't make anything up as you put it doesn't help Jeremy because you make up wild things that don't help himThat's your opinion and you don't even bother to try reaming true to his prior claims.  He stated the box was open already not sealedNo, he did not, he told police that he removed the cellathane wrapper from that box of 35 grain ammunition.  Your claim it was sealed hurts it doesn't help because 1 of the 30 rounds in the box had been previously loaded into the magazine It was never ascertained when or by whom the solitary round had been loaded into the magazine of the rifle and then removedthen unloaded. This means it is not possible for the box to have been sealed But it was sealed, wrapped in cellathane and if he had claimed such it would have been demonstrated as a lieWell, he did tell Jones and Jones on the 9th August 1985, and contrary to what you are saying it was not proved to be a lie. As you point out 5 rounds used in the murders had also been previously loaded and unloaded from the magazine prior to the murders5 rounds already inside the rifles magazine, with at that stage two sets of magazine marks upon them, on top of which Jeremy loaded more new rounds. this mean't that there were rounds inside the magazine which had double magazine markings on them, and others which only had a solitary set of magazine marks on them, at a ratio of 5 / 5. This doesn't prove that they were already in the magazineWhen Jeremy gave Jones and Jones his explanation on the 9th August 1985, the police were satisfied with his account at the time Jeremy picked up the gun. On the contrary it proves that instead of being left in the gun they were removedNo, it doesn't and then reloaded on a subsequent dateIt does not..  Furthermore, they were clearly not all loaded the same time Yes, it does.  The 5 casings were connected to different shooting episodes- they were found in different roomsCorrect, discharged in different parts of the house as part of the first discharge of the ammunition in the rifle, consisting of 10, possibly 11 bulletsBecause those 5 double marked cartridge cases were fired in a sequence, either at position 1 (if one of the double marked rounds was located in the breech not the magazine when Jeremy filled up the magazine in keeping with what he told Jones and Jones on the 9th August 1985) followed by double marked rounds then being fired at positions 7, 8, 9 and 10.  I already pointed this out to you previously. Instead of going back to the drawing board when your claims fall apart They do not, as you say fall a part, on the contrary they stand up to scrutinyyou stand by them.  This is another attribute that makes you useless to JeremyThat's your opinion, it means nothing. Jeremy adapts his claims to try to meet the evidence - at least to some extent.  You are a horrible liarWhat does that make you then because all my claims are honest compared to yours which are made up alterations you always give yourself away Good.  Some people are good at lying in that they can make up lies that are hard to detect and hard to rebut but you are not among such eliteThat is because I am not a horrible liar, as you put it.  You don't bother trying to think through your lies fully- you don't think of the larger ramifications or about other evidence that contradict it such as Jeremy putting in his statement that the box was not sealedThat hole your digging must be akin to a tunnel that will surely help you on your way to hell and saying the gun was empty which is why he needed to get a box out to load it and was worried about them getting away so he tipped the bullets out to speed the loadingYou have no evidence to support what your now saying. As I recall, this was never part of the prosecutions case. 

If the various statements were not available here then we would be as blind as the public at large and have no way to evaluate the claims you make.  But given such evidence is posted here and we can see your claims are not true it would behoove you to actually think before you post.  We have read and absorbed much of the evidence posted here so you need to dig deeper than the crap you keep coming out withThe only person digging is you, that hole your about to fall into is getting ever bigger by the moment.

Moreover you need to use some common sense.  For instance, if the 5 bullets in the gun had been there already then they would simply have been loaded onceNot necessarily, it depends who loaded them and where they had been before they were put back into the magazine. It should be obvious to anyone based upon what Jeremy told Jones and Jones on the 9th August 1985, that Jeremy hadn't even known there were any bullets loaded in the gun when he first went to pick it up in the build up to the rabbit sighting incident at the rear of the barns on evening of 6th August 1985.  Saying they were loaded twice cuts against them having been left in the gunBut it does not exclude them having been reloaded into the magazine prior to Jeremy taking possession of the rifle on the occasion spoken about. Sheila could have loaded them, intending to shoot the other 4 victims and herself later on, or to shoot Jeremy with after luring him to the farmhouse. The fact they were found in different rooms means th ey were not loaded consecutivelyNo, it does not, it means that they were all loaded together, one atop the other inside the rifles magazine, then along came Jeremy and loaded five new rounds from the new box of ammunition into the same magazine.  This further damages your theory they had been in the gun priorNo, it strengthens what I am saying. If they had been in the gun prior they would be rounds 6-10Not entirely accurate, depends if one of the double marked rounds was already in the breech of the rifle, in which case the position and sequence of firing with the rifle so configured, would be (1) first double marked round, (7), (8), (9) and (10) the other four double marked rounds and thus all would have been in the master bedroom
Incorrect, you make the mistake of trying to claim that the rifle was emptied of bullets inside the main bedroom, because you are trying to include the shooting of Ralph Bamber there during that first load of the guns ammunition. June shot five times, twins shot in other bedroom (number in this sequence yet to be determined or qualified), then Ralph shot downstairs in the kitchen.

Stop insulting our intelligence and put some thought into itYou insult your own intelligence without any help at all from anybody else if you are going to lie to usUse of the word "IF" by you, being the operative word, since "IF" does not mean that I have, or would

[lookout]

Well done Mike.

[lookout]

Mike,as a matter of interest,and I don't expect you to answer this,on the forum anyway,but do you know,or know of the cop who was at the scene,who is also adamant of Jeremy's innocence ?

[mike tesko]

With my example in mind, June got shot five times in the main bedroom, one of these shots could have included one of the double magazine marked cartridge cases (if loaded into the rifles breech prior to the loading of new bullets into the weapon by Jeremy on the previous evening), the other four bullets / cartridge cases bearing only one set of magazine marks, also fired in the main bedroom at that time. Alternatively, if one of the 5 double marked cartridges was not loaded into the breech, then June was shot by new bullets loaded into the rifles magazine by Jeremy on the previous evening, all 5 corresponding cartridge cases bearing only one set of magazine marks...

Loaded Rifle, with double marked round in breech, and a further four double marked rounds, followed by six single magazine marks, totalling 11 rounds:-

Loaded and fired, as follows

Round      loaded sequence     fired sequence            Who was Shot, and location?


    1    (breech)   0 (double marked)    1     June Bamber   *** (Main bedroom)
    2     (MAG')    10 (single marked)     2     June Bamber         (Main bedroom)
    3     (MAG')     9  (single marked)     3     June Bamber         (Main bedroom)   
    4     (MAG')     8 (single marked)     4     June Bamber          (Main bedroom)
    5     (MAG')     7 (single marked)     5     June Bamber          (Main bedroom)
    6     (MAG')     6 (single marked)     6     Child (a)                 (Childs bedroom)
    7     (MAG')     5 (single marked)     7     Child (b)                 (Childs bedroom)
    8     (MAG')     4 (double marked)    8     Child (a)         ***   Childs room)
    9     (MAG')     3  (double marked)   9     Child (b)         ***   Childs room
   10    (MAG')     2  (double marked)  10    Ralph Bamber ***  (Main bedroom)?
   11    (MAG')     1 (double marked)  11    Ralph Bamber ***   (Kitchen)

[mike tesko]

If there was no bullet loaed already in the breech of the rifle, the following applied:-Round      loaded sequence     fired sequence            Who was Shot, and location?



    1     (MAG')    10 (single marked)        2     June Bamber           (Main bedroom)
    2     (MAG')     9  (single marked)        3     June Bamber           (Main bedroom)   
    3     (MAG')     8 (single marked)         4     June Bamber            (Main bedroom)
    4     (MAG')     7 (single marked)         5     June Bamber            (Main bedroom)
    5     (MAG')     6 (single marked)         6     June Bamber            (Main bedroom)
    6     (MAG')    5 (double marked)    7     Child (a)         ***  (Childs bedroom)
    7     (MAG')    4 (double marked)    8     Child (b)         ***  (Childs bedroom)
    8     (MAG')    3  (double marked)   9     June Bamber  ***   (Main bedroom door)
    9    (MAG')     2  (double marked)  10     June Bamber  ***  (Main bedroom door)?
   10    (MAG')    1 (double marked)  11    Ralph Bamber  ***   (Kitchen)

[mike tesko]

This sequence of events involving the discharge of the first full load of the gun, brings the shooter back downstairs to the source of further ammunition. It also means that by the time the gun needed reloading with bullets, that Ralph was downstairs in the kitchen with at most two shots to his body, or perhaps with only a solitary shot by that stage...

[mike tesko]

Mike,as a matter of interest,and I don't expect you to answer this,on the forum anyway,but do you know,or know of the cop who was at the scene,who is also adamant of Jeremy's innocence ?

To be fair, all those who entered the kitchen and searched the house between 7.37 and 8.10am, all know for certain that Jeremy did not kill his sister. Others who entered the farmhouse after that time also know that Sheila was not dead when the police went in. She was not dead when verified as having died by Dr Craig. She was not dead until additional officers entered the farmhouse at around 9am, and carried out familiars. She was not dead until the rifle from the bedroom window was moved onto her body with a view of calculating her arm length and whether it was possible that she could have activated the trigger mechanism to shoot herself if police could suggest that rather than have been shot by PS Woodcock upon entering the farmhouse, that she had in fact taken her own life. Bringing the rifle from the bedroom window to her body was part of an ongoing process in deciding how best to approach and deal with her death. Whilst this was going on, Sheila was not yet dead...

To my knowledge, PS ADAMS is one of the officers who is prepared to break his silence regarding Sheila's life and death situation. I am not going to say how I know this to be true, but Adams wanted to tell the truth from the outset but has been prevented from doing so...

[lookout]

To be fair, all those who entered the kitchen and searched the house between 7.37 and 8.10am, all know for certain that Jeremy did not kill his sister. Others who entered the farmhouse after that time also know that Sheila was not dead when the police went in. She was not dead when verified as having died by Dr Craig. She was not dead until additional officers entered the farmhouse at around 9am, and carried out familiars. She was not dead until the rifle from the bedroom window was moved onto her body with a view of calculating her arm length and whether it was possible that she could have activated the trigger mechanism to shoot herself if police could suggest that rather than have been shot by PS Woodcock upon entering the farmhouse, that she had in fact taken her own life. Bringing the rifle from the bedroom window to her body was part of an ongoing process in deciding how best to approach and deal with her death. Whilst this was going on, Sheila was not yet dead...

To my knowledge, PS ADAMS is one of the officers who is prepared to break his silence regarding Sheila's life and death situation. I am not going to say how I know this to be true, but Adams wanted to tell the truth from the outset but has been prevented from doing so...

Mike,I do know of an officers 100% certainty of Jeremy's innocence.

[lookout]

Gagged.

An enormous can of worms awaits.

[lookout]

Why the secrecy surrounding what was a straightforward murder/suicide case,I don't know. Except that those who had an axe to grind were the winners.

[mike tesko]

I would like to take this opportunity to mention something which is important from my point of view, regarding the photographing of the rifle from the bedroom window, upon Sheila's body for the very first time whilst she was laying on the bedroom floor after being moved there from the bed. For a very long time now I have been meaning to bring this point up, regarding the photograph which shows the fresh coagulated blood running, leaking, and pouring from the corners of her mouth and nostrils. An Expert has said in a report obtained during the GDS era, that death had occurred about two hours prior to that photograph having been taken. This was based upon the suggestion that PC Bird had taken that particular photograph at 10 O'clock that morning, but we now know that PC Bird did not take the photograph of the rifle leaning against the bedroom window until 10.25am, and it was not until 11.10am that PC Bird photographed the different positions of Sheila's hands upon and around the gun until 11.10am, so police placed the rifle from the bedroom window onto Sheila's body at some stage after 10.25am, and arranged her hands upon and around the gun before PC Bird took photographs, of the hand movement spoken about, at precisely 11.10am...

This fits in snugly with the suggestion that the first photographs taken of the fresh looking blood upon Sheila's face was linked to the time of her actual death inside the bedroom at about 9.15am, two hours or so before PC Bird took the all important photograph showing the fresh blood evidence on her face and throat (around 11.10am)...