Jeremy Supporters - To Do List!

[SaraT]

Hello SaraT

not very long ago I was sitting where you are now and thought Jeremy so innocent and could not understand why people got angry at some of the stuff I posted now I see why. People who are as passionate about Jeremy being guilty do get angry when they think he took the lives of 5 people including two wee boys of 6 years of age. I am a firm believer that everyone on this forum is entitled to their belief's and should beable to express them but it is human nature for any of us to get heated and appear so very cross but I guess underneath the anger is sadness and we are all sensible adults who should beable to deal with each other.

Thanks Susan,I can understand people getting heated but  I still don't quite understand the anger, it's 30 years ago and none of you were related to the family. I think he's innocent but if I found out he was 100% guilty I wouldn't be cross I'd just think 'Well, bugger me!' And move on. 

[Caroline]

Hello SaraT

not very long ago I was sitting where you are now and thought Jeremy so innocent and could not understand why people got angry at some of the stuff I posted now I see why. People who are as passionate about Jeremy being guilty do get angry when they think he took the lives of 5 people including two wee boys of 6 years of age. I am a firm believer that everyone on this forum is entitled to their belief's and should beable to express them but it is human nature for any of us to get heated and appear so very cross but I guess underneath the anger is sadness and we are all sensible adults who should beable to deal with each other.

I agree Susan, they should indeed.

[SaraT]

Try changing your mind about his innocence and you'll understand how quickly people turn on you - I'm certainly not cross though and couldn't care less who thinks he's innocent. People take comments about Bambers guilt personally and they get upset when certain things are mentioned - like him being a psychopath for instance. But if he killed 5 people in cold blood with no remorse or acknowledgement - what would you call him?

I don't think he did it so I would call him a victim of a MOJ
Maybe I'm just mild mannered but some of the responses on here are well over the top

[susan]

Thanks Susan,I can understand people getting heated but  I still don't quite understand the anger, it's 30 years ago and none of you were related to the family. I think he's innocent but if I found out he was 100% guilty I wouldn't be cross I'd just think 'Well, bugger me!' And move on. 

Hahaha Sara if I found out 100% he was innocent I too would say bugger me and move on.  I am not passionate about my feelings of him being guilty I use to be when I thought he was innocent .  I will be honest when I changed to thinking Jeremy was guilty I felt a little sad as I did not have a cause to fight for anymore because he was in prison.  Hope that makes sense. Sara I must add when I thought Jeremy was innocent I use to fight with the guilty supporters like crazy so I have no room to talk

[scipio_usmc]

Me too. I can understand and accept why people think he's guilty, but some of you seem soooooo cross!!!
Why are you so livid? And what upsets you so much about people thinking he's innocent?

I don't know what you mean by "guilters" being livid.  We ask people who say they believe he is guilty to give their reasoning why they feel such given the evidence of his guilt.  What I see is a great deal of frustration on the part of those who insist he is innocent being able to justify their positions and some resorting to lies in order to pretend they have good cause for their beliefs.
 

[guest2181]

Me too. I can understand and accept why people think he's guilty, but some of you seem soooooo cross!!!
Why are you so livid? And what upsets you so much about people thinking he's innocent?

It's an Internet forum with various members giving their views, there are bound to be disagreements with feelings occasionally running high. It's hardly limited to one side or the other.

I think the disagreements and outbursts are a product of the medium rather than the subject. To most members on here, the forum is a bit of a hobby rather than anything else.

It can be fun, if not a little 'trollish' winding people up though. 

[lookout]

Naughty Hartley.

[susan]

It's an Internet forum with various members giving their views, there are bound to be disagreements with feelings occasionally running high. It's hardly limited to one side or the other.

I think the disagreements and outbursts are a product of the medium rather than the subject. To most members on here, the forum is a bit of a hobby rather than anything else.

It can be fun, if not a little 'trollish' winding people up though. 

Hello Hartley you are so right and sad people like me is now addicted and must be here everyday

[Jan]

OK. You CAN'T/WON'T say he's guilty because 30 years ago you made you mind he was innocent. I do understand that to give up such a nutty/noble(?) long held belief would be hard.

April - I can not believe you even posted that - in the context of the case it seems inappropriate and it was not so long ago you believed he was innocent ? The interpretations you made then of for example his calls / reasons /behaviour were accepted then - nothing has changed except your belief.

[Jan]

Hello Hartley you are so right and sad people like me is now addicted and must be here everyday

It because you do probably have that 1% niggle that is bugging you . So its understandable .

Also although  people "explain" away Jeremys long long fight for freedom - only he knows the truth about why he is doing it- even the experts on here are not mind readers. 

[Caroline]

April - I can not believe you even posted that - in the context of the case it seems inappropriate and it was not so long ago you believed he was innocent ? The interpretations you made then of for example his calls / reasons /behaviour were accepted then - nothing has changed except your belief.

With a change in belief, you start to look at things all over again like the calls, his reasons and behaviour and mainly some of the explanations that have been put forward to try and explain away the evidence. This together with things I have asked him myself, point to an altogether different conclusion. One thing that did change completely when I changed from innocent to guilty, was the attitude of many posters who began to take any thing (and I sometimes think 'everything') I said personally.

[guest2181]

Naughty Hartley.

Yes occasionally,  but do you honestly belive all that Mike posts? I think he's amongst the biggest 'winderer upperers' on here. 

[Jan]

With a change in belief, you start to look at things all over again like the calls, his reasons and behaviour and mainly some of the explanations that have been put forward to try and explain away the evidence. This together with things I have asked him myself, point to an altogether different conclusion. One thing that did change completely when I changed from innocent to guilty, was the attitude of many posters who began to take any thing (and I sometimes think 'everything') I said personally.

My post was to April - but I have said to you several times I completely understand that - however I think it is not necessary to criticise others who have the same belief that you had only a few months ago - you obviously had a personal experience that made you change your mind - and I note you have now gone from 99% sure to 100% sure - that's great for you because you can look at every situation from the other angle . But there is no reason to  dismiss others with such posts - if someone had said that to you when you had been defending Jeremy to the hilt I think you also would have taken offence.

I just said I was surprised - and I was .

[Jane]

April - I can not believe you even posted that - in the context of the case it seems inappropriate and it was not so long ago you believed he was innocent ? The interpretations you made then of for example his calls / reasons /behaviour were accepted then - nothing has changed except your belief.

Jan, I said it because I own that it's how I feel. Having spoken vociferously about his innocence, admitting that I was having doubts was no easy thing -in fact, I didn't- and by the time I said anything, albeit, I suspect tentatively, I was convinced of his guilt.

[Caroline]

My post was to April - but I have said to you several times I completely understand that - however I think it is not necessary to criticise others who have the same belief that you had only a few months ago - you obviously had a personal experience that made you change your mind - and I note you have now gone from 99% sure to 100% sure - that's great for you because you can look at every situation from the other angle . But there is no reason to  dismiss others with such posts - if someone had said that to you when you had been defending Jeremy to the hilt I think you also would have taken offence.

I just said I was surprised - and I was .

In order to debate, you have to have an opposing view. Debating isn't criticising, it's simply disagreeing. If people are rude/sarcastic to me, then they deserve the same in return. That's just the way I see things - perhaps it's a fault that I don't rise above it.

Reading April's post, it sounds to me like she is saying she understands how hard it is to change your mind when you have had firm held beliefs for such a long time. I guess people are offended because she used the word 'nutty' but she also balanced that with 'noble' - I think she just means that some will think it's nutty (or stubborn) and some will think it it's noble (standing by principles). I am sure she will tell me if my analysis is incorrect though.