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Offline lookout

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Re: Jeremy Supporters - To Do List!
« Reply #15 on: May 07, 2015, 01:46:PM »
Well seeing that they're behind with 700 requests I think ours are well at the bottom of the pile.
It'll probably be another 5 years before they even look at Jeremy's anyway.

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Re: Jeremy Supporters - To Do List!
« Reply #16 on: May 07, 2015, 01:53:PM »
i hardly think the crcc wil exept our posts as evedence.

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Re: Jeremy Supporters - To Do List!
« Reply #17 on: May 07, 2015, 02:16:PM »
Well seeing that they're behind with 700 requests I think ours are well at the bottom of the pile.
It'll probably be another 5 years before they even look at Jeremy's anyway.

well they took a hell of a long time last time.

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Re: Jeremy Supporters - To Do List!
« Reply #18 on: May 07, 2015, 02:20:PM »
well they took a hell of a long time last time.






8 years,was it ?

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Re: Jeremy Supporters - To Do List!
« Reply #19 on: May 07, 2015, 02:23:PM »
30 Years have now passed and Jeremy's supporters have failed to free him.

The forensics point to him in all directions despite the police errors and inconsistencies. Therefore you must find the only potential evidence that could free him (if it exists)

The Following is pivotal

1) Find smoking gun evidence of a police conspiracy
    1a) Ensure the police and co conspirators in the police force confess to the conspiracy
    1b) Gather enough police testimony that the conspiracy theory is a conspiracy fact

2) Find smoking gun evidence of gross misconduct and incompetence of the expert witnesses
    2a) For example collaborating with the police conspiracy
    2b) Being to incompetent to notice the police conspiracy

3) Find smoking gun evidence of extended family conspiracy to set him up
    3a) Such as audio recordings or data interpreted from telephone calls (Spying/Hacking not advised)
    3b) Evidence of police incompetence to not notice the conspiracy of a set up.

Once you have obtained all from the list above you can then proceed to final part of the To Do List

4) Arrange Jeremy's release and freedom party

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For non supporters you just have to wait and see if anything is produced and ticked off the list.

         

These are some of the things people acting as his advocate must do in order to get him freed. Advocates are people who actually get off their duff and do something to aid him in some manner.

Most advocates are not interested in looking through evidence to help him submit legal briefs.  They are only interested in swaying public support. They either think enough public support will result in enough pressure to free him or they simply think so long as he is going to spend his life behind bars it helps him if a lot of people think he is innocent so they try to convince people he is innocent.

Many here deny being advocates they say they simply are posting their opinion tha the is innocent.  They have not done a very good job though of justifying such beliefs and when challenged at the end of the day say they have the right to believe anything they want. This is a strawman though because no one is disputing their right to believe what they want the debate is over whether their position is supported by credible evidence.

Any have what amounts to blind faith in Jeremy and a lot of that comes from these people having distrust in the law so willing to believe Jeremy was framed even though there is no evidence of such.  It's ultimately up to each person whether to face reality or not or whether to have blind faith, it is not something that others can force someone to do.

This is why there is a stalemate of sorts which results in things repeating over and over. 

Realistically the only way Jeremy will get a new trial is if Julie were to come forward saying she lied or a cop or lab worker came forward claiming evidence was doctored. That's the only way of the wrongdoing that is alleged actually being proven the existing evidence doesn't provide any basis at all to establish such.  If one wants to have blind faith and hold out such hope it is something that might be hurting them but will not hurt others.  The problem is when people misrepresent evidence exists to prove his guilt and end up fooling others who believe such without properly researching. I got involved because I believe the propaganda by Jeremy supporters little did I know I would discover the claim there were 3 different moderators collected was false and that there was such a simple explanation of why a single moderator had the prefix changed 2 times. Little did I know...

It took reading the documents and posts here and on the red board and COA decision to actually understand the facts and evidence used to convict Jeremy because so many distortions were flying around.  From a legal standpoint the following would be needed to secure a new trial for Jeremy:

1) Proof Julie lied which realistically would require her coming forward to admit it 

or

2) Proof that undercuts the moderator which would require:

A1) Proof Sheila's fatal wound wasn't a contact wound

or

A2) Proof that despite being a contact wound Sheila's fatal wound was in a location that would not have been virtually certain to result in drawback

or

A3) Proof that drawback had been found in the muzzle of the Anschutz but its finding had been concealed

AND

B) Proof that the blood was planted in the moderator

With Julie recanting the Courts would likely vacate the conviction and make the government decide whether to retry.

Similarly proving the blood was planted in the moderator and that blood either was in the Anschutz or would not have necessarily gotten in the Anschutz if the moderator had not been used would be sufficient to get a court to vacate the judgment and let the government decide whether it wanted to retry the case. 

While some supporters pretend we are already at this state and that such evidence exists the reality is that it doesn't.  If there had been some large conspiracy as would have been necessary then someone would have cracked by now or some evidence found by this point.  It sees like his defenders have unrealistic false hope of such surfacing.

Even if one has such hope one should admit that currently this evidence is lacking and that at the moment nothing can be done through the system to help Jeremy.  Only if such evidence were to surface would there be a basis to try filing with the CCRC. 

That means there is no new news or evidence to evaluate and the debate pretty much dead.  To try to keep debate alive some rehash the same claims of yesteryear. Otherwise the site would have to fully evolve and move on to something else aside from JB to survive.  There are other sections but limited discussion takes place on other cases and offtopic.

 

Politeness is organized indifference- Paul Valéry

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Re: Jeremy Supporters - To Do List!
« Reply #20 on: May 07, 2015, 02:28:PM »





8 years,was it ?

i think it was actully 7 years if he had been convicted of any crime other than murder he could of been out before they had finished.

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« Reply #21 on: May 07, 2015, 02:31:PM »




The reason why is evident.There was no evidence,forensic or otherwise.
It's FAR easier to say he did do it.

I could just as easily change tack to make life easier for me on here, and start calling him fit to burn,which is mainly the reason that he was convicted in the first place,but I CAN'T/WON'T do that because I made up my mind 30 years ago that it wasn't him,and like Jeremy,it's very difficult to be as satisfactorily honest when you've got Uncle Tom Cobley and all against you,and no alibi to speak of.

I'm keeping a lot of thoughts to myself as well,which I won't post.
 How on earth Jeremy has kept going trying to convince the world that he didn't murder anyone,I don't know. It's some feat !

I simply and honestly can't find ANYTHING pinning him to the murders,and that's the truth.


OK. You CAN'T/WON'T say he's guilty because 30 years ago you made you mind he was innocent. I do understand that to give up such a nutty/noble(?) long held belief would be hard.

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Re: Jeremy Supporters - To Do List!
« Reply #22 on: May 07, 2015, 02:47:PM »

OK. You CAN'T/WON'T say he's guilty because 30 years ago you made you mind he was innocent. I do understand that to give up such a nutty/noble(?) long held belief would be hard.





Call me nutty if you like,I don't mind. I've NEVER been hesitant about this case,and I'm as steadfast now about his innocence as I was from the start. The more I've read on here both for and against,the more convinced I've become that this is a terrible MOJ.

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Re: Jeremy Supporters - To Do List!
« Reply #23 on: May 07, 2015, 02:49:PM »

OK. You CAN'T/WON'T say he's guilty because 30 years ago you made you mind he was innocent. I do understand that to give up such a nutty/noble(?) long held belief would be hard.

why should she have to you sound like a relgious preacher.

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Re: Jeremy Supporters - To Do List!
« Reply #24 on: May 07, 2015, 02:57:PM »
why should she have to you sound like a relgious preacher.



Nugs, you're not talking to Adam here. I don't recall EVER suggesting that Lookout SHOULD have to. There is no question that long and firmly held beliefs are VERY hard to give up on. I was simply acknowledging the fact.....................incidentally, are you certain that I'm NOT a minister of religion?

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Re: Jeremy Supporters - To Do List!
« Reply #25 on: May 07, 2015, 04:10:PM »
How easy just to say he's a murdering b'stard. End of.

Whatever I post gets shot down in flames immediately,so I don't see the point in further explaining my reasons for saying that he's not guilty.

Me too. I can understand and accept why people think he's guilty, but some of you seem soooooo cross!!!
Why are you so livid? And what upsets you so much about people thinking he's innocent?

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« Reply #26 on: May 07, 2015, 04:15:PM »
Me too. I can understand and accept why people think he's guilty, but some of you seem soooooo cross!!!
Why are you so livid? And what upsets you so much about people thinking he's innocent?


We could all be frightfully well mannered and civilized and respond with "Thank-you for sharing those thoughts with us".........................but it MIGHT be a little boring, don't you think?

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Re: Jeremy Supporters - To Do List!
« Reply #27 on: May 07, 2015, 04:19:PM »
Me too. I can understand and accept why people think he's guilty, but some of you seem soooooo cross!!!
Why are you so livid? And what upsets you so much about people thinking he's innocent?

Hello SaraT

not very long ago I was sitting where you are now and thought Jeremy so innocent and could not understand why people got angry at some of the stuff I posted now I see why. People who are as passionate about Jeremy being guilty do get angry when they think he took the lives of 5 people including two wee boys of 6 years of age. I am a firm believer that everyone on this forum is entitled to their belief's and should beable to express them but it is human nature for any of us to get heated and appear so very cross but I guess underneath the anger is sadness and we are all sensible adults who should beable to deal with each other. 

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Re: Jeremy Supporters - To Do List!
« Reply #28 on: May 07, 2015, 04:21:PM »
Me too. I can understand and accept why people think he's guilty, but some of you seem soooooo cross!!!
Why are you so livid? And what upsets you so much about people thinking he's innocent?

Try changing your mind about his innocence and you'll understand how quickly people turn on you - I'm certainly not cross though and couldn't care less who thinks he's innocent. People take comments about Bambers guilt personally and they get upset when certain things are mentioned - like him being a psychopath for instance. But if he killed 5 people in cold blood with no remorse or acknowledgement - what would you call him?
Few people have the imagination for reality

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« Reply #29 on: May 07, 2015, 04:22:PM »

We could all be frightfully well mannered and civilized and respond with "Thank-you for sharing those thoughts with us".........................but it MIGHT be a little boring, don't you think?

Not to mention 'gut wrenching'!
Few people have the imagination for reality