Facts

[Caroline]

Agreed, plus they had to wait the correct officer that can actually go into the house, armed officers.

And lets not forget JEREMY had told them that inside the farmhouse Sheila had gone beserk with a gun.

Exactly! He played them like a fiddle!

[guest154]

Exactly! He played them like a fiddle!

But now supporters slate police... even though it was Bamber (innocent or guilty) who set the scene outside!

[Jane]

Agreed, plus they had to wait the correct officer that can actually go into the house, armed officers.

And lets not forget JEREMY had told them that inside the farmhouse Sheila had gone beserk with a gun.

And let's not also forget that Jeremy's words were backed up by those allegedly said by his father who was supposedly witnessing the unfolding of events as the happened.

[guest154]

And let's not also forget that Jeremy's words were backed up by those allegedly said by his father who was supposedly witnessing the unfolding of events as the happened.

Very good point actually, Apes. Not only was Jeremy setting the scene with his words, he was also double bating the hook with what his Father had said in the phone call.

No unarmed officer would have gone near that house.

[Jane]

Very good point actually, Apes. Not only was Jeremy setting the scene with his words, he was also double bating the hook with what his Father had said in the phone call.

No unarmed officer would have gone near that house.

Mat, at that point, I believe Jeremy may have taken and conveyed to the police, the authority of his father as a magistrate which might have doubled their caution.

[lookout]

Sorry folks,but these armed teams don't hang around today. When there's a drugs-bust,they knock the door down and barge inside the offending property,many times facing danger themselves as where there are drugs,there are arms. Police DO risk being killed,they know this.There's no waiting around for 3 hours waiting for the perpetrators to make a quick dash to make them look idiots or undermine the task that they'd set out to do.
It's far more dangerous nowadays too ! WHF was chickenfeed in comparison. Excuses excuses.

[Jane]

Sorry folks,but these armed teams don't hang around today. When there's a drugs-bust,they knock the door down and barge inside the offending property,many times facing danger themselves as where there are drugs,there are arms. Police DO risk being killed,they know this.There's no waiting around for 3 hours waiting for the perpetrators to make a quick dash to make them look idiots or undermine the task that they'd set out to do.
It's far more dangerous nowadays too ! WHF was chickenfeed in comparison. Excuses excuses.

Sorry Lookout, but if those armed teams don't adhere to a VERY strict code of conduct there would be mass mayhem. To the uninitiated it may appear that they work randomly but the bottom line is, that for the safety of the team, they work as a team......................and there's no "I" in team.

[guest154]

Sorry folks,but these armed teams don't hang around today. When there's a drugs-bust,they knock the door down and barge inside the offending property,many times facing danger themselves as where there are drugs,there are arms. Police DO risk being killed,they know this.There's no waiting around for 3 hours waiting for the perpetrators to make a quick dash to make them look idiots or undermine the task that they'd set out to do.
It's far more dangerous nowadays too ! WHF was chickenfeed in comparison. Excuses excuses.

Post full of BS !! 

Sorry folks,but these armed teams don't hang around today.

There weren't armed officers outside for the entire time, it took time for the armed officers to arrive!

When there's a drugs-bust,they knock the door down and barge inside the offending property,many times facing danger themselves as where there are drugs,there are arms.

That has nothing to do with ANYTHING we are talking about here. This was an apparent hostage situation - Jeremy said his sister was a nutter and had a gun.There was no response from inside the house - hostages!!

  Excuses excuses.

They are not excuses, you've been given the operational reasons for why they didn't enter WHF. Any way it wouldn't have mattered if they did enter when they got there as Jeremy had already killed everyone inside as the evidence showed. Not sure why you support him but it's a bit rich to accuse members of making excuses.

[lookout]

So,Mat,you KNEW that the occupants were deceased when the raid team arrived ? How was that ?

[guest154]

So,Mat,you KNEW that the occupants were deceased when the raid team arrived ? How was that ?

Because their killer was standing outside with the police!! 

[lookout]

Because their killer was standing outside with the police!! 

Really ?  Why send out for a follow-up team then ? Seemed a bit of a waste,didn't it ? Was it after the conversation the first team had with someone inside,or did they do it for fun ?

[guest154]

Really ?  Why send out for a follow-up team then ? Seemed a bit of a waste,didn't it ? Was it after the conversation the first team had with someone inside,or did they do it for fun ?

You post such xxxx!! 
The reply for attempts at conversation with anyone inside WHF was "NO RESPONSE"

[lookout]

You post such xxxx!! 
The reply for attempts at conversation with anyone inside WHF was "NO RESPONSE"

That makes it worse. " No Response ",so they send for a second crew ? There must be 6 blank tapes then somewhere,stored. Or just of the cop speaking down his microphone--------to himself ?

[Jane]

That makes it worse. " No Response ",so they send for a second crew ? There must be 6 blank tapes then somewhere,stored. Or just of the cop speaking down his microphone--------to himself ?

Well, no one can accuse them of not giving anyone, who may have been alive, every chance of entering into dialogue with them.

[scipio_usmc]

That makes it worse. " No Response ",so they send for a second crew ? There must be 6 blank tapes then somewhere,stored. Or just of the cop speaking down his microphone--------to himself ?

They lacked enough manpower to raid the house and still guard the perimeter. They didn't know if Sheila was holding everyone hostage and would shoot them if police entered or if she would shoot at them.  They didn't know if she would run out another door or window on the other side of the house than they entered from. 9 officers ended up raiding the house with the rest guarding the perimeter. They didn't even have 9 armed officers initially.

They were using a megaphone to shout at the house. There was no tape recordings of anything.