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Offline scipio_usmc

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Re: Facts
« Reply #375 on: June 25, 2015, 08:01:PM »
Did I say that ? I happened to mention the Bible with blood on it--------Get a Grip !!

The pool of blood that the Bible was placed in did not form until after Sheila was dead so obviously she didn't place the Bible in the pool of blood so who did?  The person who put it there did so while the blood was still wet. 
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« Reply #376 on: June 25, 2015, 08:04:PM »
There were 5 people killed at WHF.
5 is a significant number according to the Bible. It symbolizes God's Grace,Goodness and Favour towards humans.
5 being the number of Grace and multiplied by itself=25 is Grace upon Grace. ( John 1-16 )
The 10 commandments contain two sets of 5. The first 5 are a relationship with God. The second 5 concern relationships with other humans.

25 bullets. 5x3's which were written on a note left by Sheila.

3x5=15 bullets in one rifle. 2x5=10 bullets in another rifle===25 total.

Saints preserve us!  ;D ;D ;D This reads like an obsessive compulsives nightmare!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #377 on: June 25, 2015, 09:32:PM »
Saints preserve us!  ;D ;D ;D This reads like an obsessive compulsives nightmare!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Crazy tripe!


The pool of blood that the Bible was placed in did not form until after Sheila was dead so obviously she didn't place the Bible in the pool of blood so who did?  The person who put it there did so while the blood was still wet. 

Agreed, seems clear the bible was placed there afterwards, or else there would be no blood to lay it on to leave a mark.

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« Reply #378 on: June 25, 2015, 10:13:PM »
Crazy tripe!
There are 5 gold rings in the 12 days of Christmas, 12 – 5 = 7, which (spookily) is the day of the murders. Christmas is on 25th December which also contains a 5 and also a 2 (and adds up to 7). 5-2 = 3 - there are 3 French Hens in the 12 Days of Christmas, a farm has hens. OMG! The killer was Santa Claus!  :o :o :o :o ;D
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« Reply #379 on: June 25, 2015, 10:17:PM »
There are 5 gold rings in the 12 days of Christmas, 12 – 5 = 7, which (spookily) is the day of the murders. Christmas is on 25th December which also contains a 5 and also a 2. 5-2 = 3 - there are 3 French Hens in the 12 Days of Christmas, a farm has hens. OMG! The killer was Santa Claus!  :o :o :o :o ;D


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The main evidence against Jeremy and rebuttals
« Reply #380 on: June 25, 2015, 10:42:PM »
The main evidence against Jeremy and rebuttals

1) If Sheila had been the one who attacked everyone else then Sheila would have:
A) had elevated lead levels on her hands and visible lead stains from loading the bullets
B) had soot/GSR on her hands and clothing
C) had Nevill's blood (medium velocity impact spatter) on her clothing and body
D) some sort of damage/evidence on her feet and damage/marks to her nails and hand when the rifle stock broke
F) would have had high velocity impact spatter from shooting Nevill and June.

Rebuttal:

Maybe Sheila wore gloves and after killing everyone she changed her clothing and bathed.

Problem with rebuttal:
A) The clothing and gloves still would have been at the scene but no such items were present.
B) Someone who decided to commit suicide would have no reason to wash up and change.  Only people who hope to get away with murder wash up and change.
 
2) Sheila could not have killed herself because:
A) She could not kill herself without getting soot/GSR on her hands and gown and yet none was found on her
B) She was shot with the moderator attached and could not have reached the trigger
C) After she was dead the moderator was removed and put away in the closet
D) After she was dead her body was moved flat causing the blood flow to change resulting in a pool of blood forming on the floor.  She could not have moved her body while she was dead someone else had to do it.
E) Someone else placed the Bible in the pool of blood that formed after she died while that blood was still wet

Rebuttal: Maybe police messed up when running the tests for GSR/soot and maybe the family or police planted the blood inside the moderator and maybe she died right before police entered and they are the ones who moved her body and the Bible causing it to get full of the blood.

Alternative moderator rebuttal: Sheila used the moderator but put it away before shooting herself and the blood inside was June's and Nevill's not hers.

Problems with rebuttal:
A) Soot is visible to the naked eye and there is nothing to suggest police or the lab made any errors in the GSR/soot testing. 
B) there is no evidence to suggest blood was planted in the moderator and it would have taken more expertise to plant in the manner it was found than possessed by those accused of planting it moreover if it had been planted then blood would have been found in the rifle
C) The state of rigor and stomach contents suggests Sheila died before police even reached the scene.  No one heard any shots and no one heard her try to communicate with the.  There is no evidence to suggest she died soon enough to still be bleeding when police entered they say the blood on her was dry.  There is nothing to suggest police moved her until hours after they entered and nothing to indicate they moved the Bible into a pool of blood though moving it to a pool of dry blood would not end up getting blood on it anyway.

Problem with alternative moderator Rebuttal:
A) She would not have gone to the close tot get the moderator let alone put it away int he closet again when finished killing everyone 
B) It was not likely June and Nevill suffered wounds that would have resulted in drawback
C) there was no way for Nevill and June's blood not ti intimately mix if their blood had gotten inside and there was no way experts would miss an intimate mixture they could only miss a mixture if the blood did not intimately mix.

3) Evidence that Jeremy staged bullets after the murders in order to support his story that Sheila found a weapon of opportunity that he had left out.  He staged too many thereby revealing he staged them.   

Rebuttal:
Maybe Sheila went to the closet for some reason and got 5 bullets from the closet or maybe the gun had 5 bullets in it when Jeremy got it out of the closet.

Problems with rebuttal:

A) There is no plausible reason why Sheila would use 20 rounds from the kitchen and despite knowing there were still 30 more to get 5 rounds from the closet.
B) The gun was always stored unloaded and Jeremy insists the gun had no bullets in it when he picked it up.  If it had bullets in it he would have rushed outside with it. He insisted it was empty and this is why he took a box of bullets and loaded it.

There is plenty of other evidence against Jeremy including lies/conflicting claims he told, Julie's testimony and his actions not matching those of someone who received the phone call claimed.  But this is the most important evidence.
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Re: Facts
« Reply #381 on: June 26, 2015, 11:41:AM »
There are 5 gold rings in the 12 days of Christmas, 12 – 5 = 7, which (spookily) is the day of the murders. Christmas is on 25th December which also contains a 5 and also a 2 (and adds up to 7). 5-2 = 3 - there are 3 French Hens in the 12 Days of Christmas, a farm has hens. OMG! The killer was Santa Claus!  :o :o :o :o ;D






Bloody typical !!

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Re: Facts
« Reply #382 on: June 26, 2015, 11:49:AM »





Bloody typical !!

And about as relevant as your post.
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« Reply #383 on: June 26, 2015, 11:50:AM »
And about as relevant as your post.






And your POSTS !!

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Re: Facts
« Reply #384 on: June 26, 2015, 11:54:AM »
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Re: Facts
« Reply #385 on: June 26, 2015, 11:58:AM »
Calm down dear!  ;D ;D ;D






I'm as calm as I'll ever be. It's my confidence which shines through on occasion.

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Re: Facts
« Reply #386 on: June 26, 2015, 12:00:PM »





I'm as calm as I'll ever be. It's my confidence which shines through on occasion.

But not your ability to back up arguments? Ferguson? £200,000.00?
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« Reply #387 on: June 26, 2015, 12:31:PM »





I'm as calm as I'll ever be. It's my confidence which shines through on occasion.


Correction. Intransigence ;D

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« Reply #388 on: June 26, 2015, 12:39:PM »

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Don't you EVER come up with anything constructive to post except to perch yourself in the sidelines ready to snipe at whatever I've posted  for your sick entertainment ? I've heard of spite pertaining to a woman,but-----------------

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« Reply #389 on: June 26, 2015, 08:11:PM »





Don't you EVER come up with anything constructive to post except to perch yourself in the sidelines ready to snipe at whatever I've posted  for your sick entertainment ? I've heard of spite pertaining to a woman,but-----------------

Oh, shut up Lookout. If you didn't post such tripe  people wouldn't always be disagreeing with you and proving you wrong. If you're willing to post lies about a child killer then expect good and honest people to stand up against it!!