Facts

[keepers]

a friend of mine who is a retired old bailey judge , told me that the hardest thing to get over to a jury is that you can aquit a guilty man as its up to the prosecution to prove guilt. Despite what side of the fence you stand on jeremy banners guilt was not and has not ever been proven beyond reasonable doubt. In today's world of advances in DNA techniques only a NOT GUILTY verdict would be returned if this case was to go for re trial. That's fact and no one can say otherwise. I'm extremely open minded in this case and am very knowledgable in it so am open to persuasion if someone can definitely show me where the guilt is proven!!

[Adam]

a friend of mine who is a retired old bailey judge , told me that the hardest thing to get over to a jury is that you can aquit a guilty man as its up to the prosecution to prove guilt. Despite what side of the fence you stand on jeremy banners guilt was not and has not ever been proven beyond reasonable doubt. In today's world of advances in DNA techniques only a NOT GUILTY verdict would be returned if this case was to go for re trial. That's fact and no one can say otherwise. I'm extremely open minded in this case and am very knowledgable in it so am open to persuasion if someone can definitely show me where the guilt is proven!!

How do you think Sheila committed the massacre.

Please include her chambering the rifle and reloading twice.

Also include Neville's one/two phone calls and the brutal kitchen fight.

[lookout]

a friend of mine who is a retired old bailey judge , told me that the hardest thing to get over to a jury is that you can aquit a guilty man as its up to the prosecution to prove guilt. Despite what side of the fence you stand on jeremy banners guilt was not and has not ever been proven beyond reasonable doubt. In today's world of advances in DNA techniques only a NOT GUILTY verdict would be returned if this case was to go for re trial. That's fact and no one can say otherwise. I'm extremely open minded in this case and am very knowledgable in it so am open to persuasion if someone can definitely show me where the guilt is proven!!

In the nicest possible way,you can count me out as regards proving his guilt------------because I can't.

[keepers]

Once again adam you need to read what I've said. Not once do I say Sheila did it!!! I said Jeremy's guilt wasn't proven. Sheila for your information wasn't on trial!

[Adam]

DNA would prove it was Sheila's blood.

Wasn't it shown it was June's DNA anyway. How an earth did that get inside the silencer.

[scipio_usmc]

a friend of mine who is a retired old bailey judge , told me that the hardest thing to get over to a jury is that you can aquit a guilty man as its up to the prosecution to prove guilt. Despite what side of the fence you stand on jeremy banners guilt was not and has not ever been proven beyond reasonable doubt. In today's world of advances in DNA techniques only a NOT GUILTY verdict would be returned if this case was to go for re trial. That's fact and no one can say otherwise. I'm extremely open minded in this case and am very knowledgable in it so am open to persuasion if someone can definitely show me where the guilt is proven!!

His guilt was indeed proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

Among other things the prosecution established Jeremy planned to kill his family, that Sheila was murdered, she can't have killed herself, that there is no evidence she killed or beat anyone else and that Nevill would not have called Jeremy so the only way Jeremy would have known about a problem is if he was the one responsible.

[Jane]

Once again adam you need to read what I've said. Not once do I say Sheila did it!!! I said Jeremy's guilt wasn't proven. Sheila for your information wasn't on trial!

You had no need. The judge told the jury that it was either Sheila or Jeremy and it would appear pretty conclusive that it wasn't Sheila.

[scipio_usmc]

DNA would prove it was Sheila's blood.

Wasn't it shown it was June's DNA anyway. How an earth did that get inside the silencer.

June's DNA got inside through contamination, there was nothing to suggest it was blood based.

The blood removed in 1985 and 1986 though was drawback and is among the evidence that proves Sheila didn't kill herself.

[Adam]

Once again adam you need to read what I've said. Not once do I say Sheila did it!!! I said Jeremy's guilt wasn't proven. Sheila for your information wasn't on trial!

Once the prosecution show it was impossible for Sheila to commit the crime, matching the crime scene, then Jeremy is guilty. Beyond reasonable doubt.

Just to make sure they could use the evidence to show Sheila did not commit the crime.

[Adam]

But feel free to show me how Sheila could commit the crime. Matching the crime scene of course. 

[keepers]

Adam, that DNA evidence was never proven as far as the blood in the silencer was concerned, it's since been shown that it can't be trusted and could even be rabbits blood. If all this DNA evidence was correct then why does none of these exhibits still exist, they were all discarded. Maybe somebody had the foresight to think that in 30 years time we're all going to be found out

[lookout]

You had no need. The judge told the jury that it was either Sheila or Jeremy and it

would appear pretty conclusive that it wasn't Sheila.



Why ?

[Adam]

Adam, that DNA evidence was never proven as far as the blood in the silencer was concerned, it's since been shown that it can't be trusted and could even be rabbits blood. If all this DNA evidence was correct then why does none of these exhibits still exist, they were all discarded. Maybe somebody had the foresight to think that in 30 years time we're all going to be found out

Rabbits blood. It was certainly human blood. And almost certainly Sheila's.

People on here have said the silencer has not been discarded but there is nothing left to test. Which is not surprising as Jeremy tested it after the trial, which did him no favours.

[keepers]

Adam, you just said ALMOST certainly Sheila's blood. I'm sorry Adam, but almost isn't good enough to send a man to prison for the rest of his life

[Adam]

Keepers, show me how Sheila could have committed the massacre.

Jeremy's supporters refuse ( except two). But still support him. Which is creepy.

I have of course already given a detailed step by step account of how Jeremy committed the massacre.