Facts

[Jane]

A symptom of taking a high-potency neuroleptic in a lower dose has been known to cause Akithisia which DOES cause a patient to commit mass murder either within a household or randomly in the public domain.

Her health------------meaning Mental Health as there was NOTHING wrong with her physically when she'd been examined by Vanezis.
It DOES state that Ferguson wasn't happy with her sudden release from hospital,but it must have been HER own decision. He also disagreed with the 50% reduction in the Haldol,that Angeloglou made.

Lookout, I think DOES cause has to be redefined as CAN/MAY cause because I feel perfectly certain, that if every patient proscribed it went on to commit murder, it would have been withdrawn.

I'm fully aware that when speaking of her health, Ferguson, as a consultant psychiatrist, was referring to her mental health. I'm also aware that he wasn't happy with her leaving hospital a week early but he did understand that she didn't want her reunion with Christine to take place in a psych clinic.

I don't recall that he said anything untoward about the locum's 50% reduction of her meds. It surprised me but I'm prepared to see it as closing ranks.

[lookout]

The discussion for the 50% decrease of Haldol had taken place by phone between Doctors Ferguson and Angeloglou,but reasons for the reduction have remained unknown.
The dangers of reduction have been pointed out. Because a further injection would have shortly been due,the remains of the previous one would have all but diminished leaving Sheila in a very dangerous situation suffering withdrawal symptoms from those that she hadn't taken on top of the diminishing Haldol.

I would NOT have wanted to have been in her company at that point !!

[Caroline]

You seem not to know anything about medication and its effects when reduced as drastically as it was. It was as good as nothing in Sheila's condition
One of the doctors,possibly Ferguson had stated that her mental health had deteriorated.
I'm sorry if it's not what you wanted to know !

No Lookout, you're trying to make things fit again, she was still taking anti-psychotic medication and that's a fact! Where did Ferguson say that? It sounds more like a comment made in reference to the fact that he THOUGHT she had committed suicide - ie. Sheila has committed suicide therefore her condition must have deteriorated!!

[Jane]

The discussion for the 50% decrease of Haldol had taken place by phone between Doctors Ferguson and Angeloglou,but reasons for the reduction have remained unknown.
The dangers of reduction have been pointed out. Because a further injection would have shortly been due,the remains of the previous one would have all but diminished leaving Sheila in a very dangerous situation suffering withdrawal symptoms from those that she hadn't taken on top of the diminishing Haldol.

I would NOT have wanted to have been in her company at that point !!

Lookout, I don't recall a telephone conversation between those two doctors and it WASN'T Dr Angeloglou who administered the 50% reduction, it was a locum. The letter asking for permission was delayed so it's very doubtful that Dr F knew of the reduction until MUCH later, by which time the locum had left. I believe there to be a WS from her in archives.

[Caroline]

The discussion for the 50% decrease of Haldol had taken place by phone between Doctors Ferguson and Angeloglou,but reasons for the reduction have remained unknown.
The dangers of reduction have been pointed out. Because a further injection would have shortly been due,the remains of the previous one would have all but diminished leaving Sheila in a very dangerous situation suffering withdrawal symptoms from those that she hadn't taken on top of the diminishing Haldol.

I would NOT have wanted to have been in her company at that point !!

You're over playing it, I'd have much rather been in Sheila's company than Jeremy's!!

[lookout]

No Lookout, you're trying to make things fit again, she was still taking anti-psychotic medication and that's a fact! Where did Ferguson say that? It sounds more like a comment made in reference to the fact that he THOUGHT she had committed suicide - ie. Sheila has committed suicide therefore her condition must have deteriorated!!

 




I'm NOT trying to " make things fit " at all. Once upon a time,you were more than happy to have accepted information if it had meant a step closer to Jeremy's innocence. Now,because you've completely turned tail,you trash anything that has the least hint of his support.

A lot of this information you'd have been aware of when you supported him,so why ask questions about anything ? I don't get you.

Dr Ferguson had told Colin that her condition had deteriorated AFTER she'd left hospital in 1985.

[Caroline]

I'm NOT trying to " make things fit " at all. Once upon a time,you were more than happy to have accepted information if it had meant a step closer to Jeremy's innocence. Now,because you've completely turned tail,you trash anything that has the least hint of his support.

A lot of this information you'd have been aware of when you supported him,so why ask questions about anything ? I don't get you.

Dr Ferguson had told Colin that her condition had deteriorated AFTER she'd left hospital in 1985.

OH!! That is where you are WRONG, I didn't 'accept' anything without checking it out and I'm still the same in that regard. Where are you reading that Ferguson told Colin that her condition had deteriorated?? It's all very well posting it and I'm not calling you a liar - BUT, I like to read stuff for myself. There for far too many mistakes on the site to accept anything at face value.

[lookout]

There were 5 people killed at WHF.
5 is a significant number according to the Bible. It symbolizes God's Grace,Goodness and Favour towards humans.
5 being the number of Grace and multiplied by itself=25 is Grace upon Grace. ( John 1-16 )
The 10 commandments contain two sets of 5. The first 5 are a relationship with God. The second 5 concern relationships with other humans.

25 bullets. 5x3's which were written on a note left by Sheila.

3x5=15 bullets in one rifle. 2x5=10 bullets in another rifle===25 total. 

[Jane]

There were 5 people killed at WHF.
5 is a significant number according to the Bible. It symbolizes God's Grace,Goodness and Favour towards humans.
5 being the number of Grace and multiplied by itself=25 is Grace upon Grace. ( John 1-16 )
The 10 commandments contain two sets of 5. The first 5 are a relationship with God. The second 5 concern relationships with other humans.

25 bullets. 5x3's which were written on a note left by Sheila.

3x5=15 bullets in one rifle. 2x5=10 bullets in another rifle===25 total.

Are you suggesting Sheila shot them with a gun in one hand and a Bible complete with calculations in the other?

[lookout]

Are you suggesting Sheila shot them with a gun in one hand and a Bible complete with calculations in the other?

Just the Bible-------seeing as it was found nearby with SOMEBODY'S blood on it.

[Jane]

Just the Bible-------seeing as it was found nearby with SOMEBODY'S blood on it.

Are you saying that Sheila was dragged into a pool of someone else's blood? Lookout, are there NO lengths to which you won't go to try and make Jeremy appear innocent?

[lookout]

Are you saying that Sheila was dragged into a pool of someone else's blood? Lookout, are there NO lengths to which you won't go to try and make Jeremy appear innocent?

Did I say that ? I happened to mention the Bible with blood on it--------Get a Grip !!

[Jane]

Did I say that ? I happened to mention the Bible with blood on it--------Get a Grip !!

Just the Bible-------seeing as it was found nearby with SOMEBODY'S blood on it.

 The way you said "SOMEBODY'S blood on it" seemed to imply that you were suggesting it may NOT have been Sheila's. I just asked the question to which the only reply necessary was a straightforward YES or NO. I can't see your reasoning in telling me to "Get a grip."

[Caroline]

 The way you said "SOMEBODY'S blood on it" seemed to imply that you were suggesting it may NOT have been Sheila's. I just asked the question to which the only reply necessary was a straightforward YES or NO. I can't see your reasoning in telling me to "Get a grip."

It's not you who needs to 'get a grip' April.

[scipio_usmc]

There were 5 people killed at WHF.
5 is a significant number according to the Bible. It symbolizes God's Grace,Goodness and Favour towards humans.
5 being the number of Grace and multiplied by itself=25 is Grace upon Grace. ( John 1-16 )
The 10 commandments contain two sets of 5. The first 5 are a relationship with God. The second 5 concern relationships with other humans.

25 bullets. 5x3's which were written on a note left by Sheila.

3x5=15 bullets in one rifle. 2x5=10 bullets in another rifle===25 total.

3 is the most sacred number in the Bible. 

In the meantime the number of victims was a result of how many Jeremy needed to kill to inherit everything.  25 shots is how many it took to complete the mission. If he needed to reload more because 25 failed to kill them he would have reloaded again.

You spend your time on childish nonsense like this instead of the key facts and evidence.  Rational people consider the most important evidence to be:
1) evidence she didn't load a gun, fire a gun, or beat Nevill and thus can't have killed anyone else.
2) evidence she can't have shot herself because she didn't fire the gun and can't have shot herself with the moderator attached
3)after she died her body was moved flat, the moderator put away and the bible placed in a pool of her blood that formed after she died thus someone was there at the scene staging things right after she died.

These things all prove someone else killed everyone.

Your erroneous babble about 5 being a significant religious number doesn't in any way refute the key evidence.  You just hide you eyes to it because you don't want to face it. Unless you can rebut it though you have no rational basis to assert Jeremy is innocent and Sheila killed everyone including herself.