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[lookout]

And Jeremy couldn't knock the skin off a rice pudding !

[Jan]

Sheila was in bed. Asleep.

You know this. Everyone agrees Jeremy entered the main bedroom first. It's common sense to do this.

that is supposition not fact . And no one agrees that the order of shootings has never been established.

Unless she had earplugs in why would she stay asleep through her mother and father being shot when skippy says even with the silencer on you would hear the shots outside?

[Adam]

LOL What kind of argument is that?  Neville was an old man half asleep, not a Prime Boxer in his late 20s getting hyped up for the fight.

Neville was fit and strong for his age. By the time he had reached the kitchen he was awake. Being shot at tends to wake people.

[Jan]

I have already said why Bamber would not have any marks.

Big difference between a fit, fully protected young man, and an uncoordinated,  light woman in a nightie.

not according to skippy - when you have a gun pointed at you ,you just do as you are told

[David1819]

I personally think Sheila slept through most of it and was awoken after the other four had already been killed..

Wasn't Sheila's bed made?

[David1819]

Neville was fit and strong for his age. By the time he had reached the kitchen he was awake. Being shot at tends to wake people.

An old man already shot 4 times will not be able to put up much of fight

[lookout]

Wasn't Sheila's bed made?

It had never been slept in.

[Steve_uk]

Wasn't Sheila's bed made?

There were twin beds with neither of the sheets turned back,but as it was August I'm afraid that this is just another avenue which proves to be inconclusive.

[susan]

Wasn't Sheila's bed made?

David
I got the impression her bed had been used but just lying on the top of the covers

[Adam]

that is supposition not fact . And no one agrees that the order of shootings has never been established.

Unless she had earplugs in why would she stay asleep through her mother and father being shot when skippy says even with the silencer on you would hear the shots outside?

I doubt the gun was very loud. It was used for shooting vermin. Not elephants. With a silencer on it would be even more quiet.

I suspect a gun shot would be heard on the phone once the line was cleared.

If Bamber shut the main bedroom door prior to shooting Neville and June, then that would negate the sound more. Sheila would not hear it even if she was awake.

[David1819]

Can someone send me the uncensored photo of Neville? All we have is written descriptions about his state, to make a judgement I would have to see the crime scene photo, afterall that is why crime scene photos are taken

[Jan]

I doubt the gun was very loud. It was used for shooting vermin. Not elephants. With a silencer on it would be even more quiet.

I suspect a gun shot would be heard on the phone once the line was cleared.

If Bamber shut the main bedroom door prior to shooting Neville and June, then that would negate the sound more.

So in your scenario Sheila could have shot herself when the police were outside and no one woud have heard her?

The phone line was only open in the kitchen so if the door was closed that argument does not stack up either

[lookout]

There were twin beds with neither of the sheets turned back,but as it was August I'm afraid that this is just another avenue which proves to be inconclusive.

It was a cool evening,Steve. Even the Aga had been left lit so warming everywhere. June had her bedsocks on too.

It's a possibility that Sheila was in her mother's bed with June.

[Adam]

Can someone send me the uncensored photo of Neville? All we have is written descriptions about his state, to make a judgement I would have to see the crime scene photo, afterall that is why crime scene photos are taken

You have the COA description.

[Jane]

Neville was fit and strong for his age. By the time he had reached the kitchen he was awake. Being shot at tends to wake people.

Yes, he'd have been awake to the realization that he was in pain from a shattered jaw, swallowing blood from it, as well as having a useless arm. He'd have been very fit.....................mostly for nothing.