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[Adam]

Supporters have to say Sheila brutally beat Neville after he passed out. And that he passed out before having the chance to strike a blow on Sheila.

Then Sheila smashed up the kitchen for no reason. 

All this contradicts all common sense and what the judge said.

If that's what happened, Jan is right, I have no understanding of Sheila's illness.

[Jane]

Supporters have to say Sheila brutally beat Neville after he passed out. And that he passed out before having the chance to strike a blow on Sheila.

Then Sheila smashed up the kitchen for no reason. 

All this contradicts all common sense and what the judge said.

If that's what happened, Jan is right, I have no understanding of Sheila's illness.

Well at what point did he put up a tremendous fight for life?

[Jan]

Supporters have to say Sheila brutally beat Neville after he passed out. And that he passed out before having the chance to strike a blow on Sheila.

Then Sheila smashed up the kitchen for no reason. 

All this contradicts all common sense and what the judge said.

If that's what happened, Jan is right, I have no understanding of Sheila's illness.

what exactly are you talking about in the kitchen ? The raid team burst in and admitted they knocked things over . Don't forget they were shouting out to Sheila and thought she was alive so they were not exactly tip toeing around - they were worried she was going to shoot them .

so to be clear - we are saying its a possibility - he could have been beaten after he was shot.

[Adam]

Well at what point did he put up a tremendous fight for life?

Well it wasn't upstairs.

He got shot four times as he was getting out of bed.

[Jan]

Well it wasn't upstairs.

He got shot four times as he was getting out of bed.

So where was Sheila when that happened and when he went down into the kitchen and was beaten? 

[Steve_uk]

So where was Sheila when that happened and when he went down into the kitchen and was beaten?

I personally think Sheila slept through most of it and was awoken after the other four had already been killed..

[Jane]

Well it wasn't upstairs.

He got shot four times as he was getting out of bed.

Exactly. So please tell us how, in your estimation, Neville, with a shattered jaw and a useless arm, having made it downstairs, managed to put up a tremendous fight for life.

[Jan]

I personally think Sheila slept through most of it and was awoken after the other four had already been killed..

Possible - although it does not even look as if she had been to bed. Skippy says you could hear the shots from outside let alone in the house. That is a lot of shots and running about to sleep through .

[Adam]

So where was Sheila when that happened and when he went down into the kitchen and was beaten?

Sheila was in bed. Asleep.

You know this. Everyone agrees Jeremy entered the main bedroom first. It's common sense to do this.

[Adam]

Exactly. So please tell us how, in your estimation, Neville, with a shattered jaw and a useless arm, having made it downstairs, managed to put up a tremendous fight for life.

Because he was 6.4. Strong and fit for his age. And knew he was in a life or death struggle. Not just for himself, but to save his family.

[Adam]

I personally think Sheila slept through most of it and was awoken after the other four had already been killed..

Possible.

She would only wake during the downstairs kitchen struggle. But if her bedroom door was shut, that is doubtful.

[Jane]

Because he was 6.4. Strong and fit for his age. And knew he was in a life or death struggle. Not just for himself, but to save his family.

Which was very ineffective because Sheila was unmarked and even Julie didn't add any scratches on Jeremy to give weight to her evidence. Hardly a tremendous fight, was it?

[lookout]

 I wonder if there were any locks on the bedroom doors,or on the landing door that led through to Sheila's room ?

[Adam]

Which was very ineffective because Sheila was unmarked and even Julie didn't add any scratches on Jeremy to give weight to her evidence. Hardly a tremendous fight, was it?

I have already said why Bamber would not have any marks.

Big difference between a fit, fully protected young man, and an uncoordinated,  light woman in a nightie.

[David1819]

It seems Bamber knocked Neville out downstairs. Before firing his final head shots into him.

It can take  a lot to knock someone out. Professional boxers spend 36 minutes trying to do this, and often don't succeed.

Bamber's blows eventually knocked Neville out. Sheila would not have had the power.

LOL What kind of argument is that?  Neville was an old man half asleep, not a Prime Boxer in his late 20s getting hyped up for the fight.