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[Adam]

Well said Jan, Sheila deserves more respect in my opinion, her life was a struggle and must have been so difficult. Whether innocent or guilty she was a victim of her illness however hard she may have fought against it.

Maggie I've sent you a PM regarding Jan's offensive post. Saying I do not understand Sheila's illness.

You deleted my response, which was not offensive.

[maggie]

Maggie I've sent you a PM regarding Jan's offensive post. Saying I do not understand her illness.

Thank you Adam, I have replied to your post.

[Adam]

Anyway. Onto the issue.

Neville got downstairs and put up a tremendous fight for life. The evidence shows this and he took a brutal beating for his efforts.

But Sheila in her nightie didn't have a mark on her. Why ?

[Jane]

Anyway. Onto the issue.

Neville got downstairs and put up a tremendous fight for life. The evidence shows this and he took a brutal beating for his efforts.

But Sheila in her nightie didn't have a mark on her. Why ?

What, exactly do you think Neville did which constituted putting up a tremendous fight for life. From the amount of bullets which had already found their mark I doubt if he'd have been capable of much in the way of physical activity. Also, I hadn't been aware that Jan had been ill. Wasn't it rather churlish of you to report her for saying you didn't understand her illness.

[Adam]

What, exactly do you think Neville did which constituted putting up a tremendous fight for life. From the amount of bullets which had already found their mark I doubt if he'd have been capable of much in the way of physical activity. Also, I hadn't been aware that Jan had been ill. Wasn't it rather churlish of you to report her for saying you didn't understand her illness.

The judge said this. He sat through the whole trial and knows a lot more than anyone on here.

If there was no fight why was there so much upturned and smashed furniture ? And why did Neville get his face smashed in ?

[Adam]

The only thing answer is Sheila brutally beat Neville after he was dead. Which is ridiculous.

I thought Sheila was closest to Neville. Why didn't she beat June, she got out of bed and was moving around.

Whatever way you look at it. A fully protected and fit Jeremy brutally beat Neville after he fought back.

[Steve_uk]

The judge said this. He sat through the whole trial and knows a lot more than anyone on here.

If there was no fight why was there so much upturned and smashed furniture ? And why did Neville get his face smashed in ?

Why does the judge necessarily know more than us-it's just another day at the office to him. It's impossible to know for certain exactly what damage the Raid Team caused on entry. Nevill's face was bashed in after death and possibly prodded with a poker as Jeremy couldn't quite believe the man who had dominated his life had finally expired.

[Jane]

The judge said this. He sat through the whole trial and knows a lot more than anyone on here.

If there was no fight why was there so much upturned and smashed furniture ? And why did Neville get his face smashed in ?

Contrary to what you seem to think, judges aren't omnipotent. HOW would he know, without knowing what damage was done to an opponent, what sort of fight a severely incapacitated Neville put up? To me, this doesn't seem an unreasonable question. Re the upturned and smashed furniture. It stands to reason that Jeremy would want it to look like a violent struggle had taken place, and I guess some of Neville's facial injuries were the result of being beaten with the butt of the rifle apart from a bullet having shattered his jaw.

[Jan]

The only thing answer is Sheila brutally beat Neville after he was dead. Which is ridiculous.

I thought Sheila was closest to Neville. Why didn't she beat June, she got out of bed and was moving around.

Whatever way you look at it. A fully protected and fit Jeremy brutally beat Neville after he fought back.

Why is it ridiculous ?

1) I just explained that she may not have seen him as her father at the time
2) if she was very depressed/ suicidal  and not in the throws of an episode - she may have felt everyone was against her and if Neville agreed about the fostering - even if he was trying to help her- she may have seen that as the last straw and the final betrayal.

[Jan]

Why does the judge necessarily know more than us-it's just another day at the office to him. It's impossible to know for certain exactly what damage the Raid Team caused on entry. Nevill's face was bashed in after death and possibly prodded with a poker as Jeremy couldn't quite believe the man who had dominated his life had finally expired.

Or Sheila saw him as the devil and burnt him with the" son the father and the holy ghost"

we may never know.

[Jane]

Why is it ridiculous ?

1) I just explained that she may not have seen him as her father at the time
2) if she was very depressed/ suicidal  and not in the throws of an episode - she may have felt everyone was against her and if Neville agreed about the fostering - even if he was trying to help her- she may have seen that as the last straw and the final betrayal.

Jan, I know he's reported you for saying that he doesn't understand your illness but I don't think he understands Sheila's, either.

[Steve_uk]

Why is it ridiculous ?

1) I just explained that she may not have seen him as her father at the time
2) if she was very depressed/ suicidal  and not in the throws of an episode - she may have felt everyone was against her and if Neville agreed about the fostering - even if he was trying to help her- she may have seen that as the last straw and the final betrayal.

I just don't see her as having the strength to execute it all..

[Adam]

Why does the judge necessarily know more than us-it's just another day at the office to him. It's impossible to know for certain exactly what damage the Raid Team caused on entry. Nevill's face was bashed in after death and possibly prodded with a poker as Jeremy couldn't quite believe the man who had dominated his life had finally expired.

Judges take their jobs a bit more seriously than a filing clerk. Which is why they rise to that position on the first place.

He will know a mountain of things no one else will know.

He said in his summing up 'Neville put up a tremendous fight for life'. So it's fact.

[Jan]

Judges take their jobs a bit more seriously than a filing clerk. Which is why they rise to that position on the first place.

He will know a mountain of things no one else will know.

He said in his summing up 'Neville put up a tremendous fight for life'. So it's fact.

Not true - a judge relies on experts and really are not supposed to influence the jury on subjects they themselves do not comprehend .

The raid team admitted that some of the "mess " was due to them.

We do not know if the injuries occurred after he was shot.

[Jane]

Judges take their jobs a bit more seriously than a filing clerk. Which is why they rise to that position on the first place.

He will know a mountain of things no one else will know.

He said in his summing up 'Neville put up a tremendous fight for life'. So it's fact.

Then as you have so much faith in the judge's omnipotence, perhaps you'd like to give us your thoughts about the tremendous fight Neville put up.