Ann Eaton´s Notes.

[Jan]

She didn't appreciate the moderator evidence was significant.  Why would she write it in her notes when she didn't know it amounted to anything?

Police didn't know it would amount to much either, Cook thought the only value was in fingerprints.  Only the lab appreciated the significance in terms of drawback.  Even today drawback is not commonly known about.  I doubt most people who post here would even have heard of drawback but for this case. I was only aware of it because of a previous case I dealt with that involved drawback and the issue was used to prove that a wound was a contact wound, it didn't involve a moderator.   I have watched about every forensic show Court TV produced before changing names and not one of them ever dealt with drawback nor have I seen it discussed on any of the fictional CSI type shows created purely for entertainment.  It is obscure.

According to Annes own later statement she had heard the police discussing the silencer connected with the gun on the 8th august . A member of the family then told the police they thought JB was not telling the truth about why the silencer and sights were not on the gun. In her own statement she said they discussed the implications of the blood on the silencer as soon as they saw it.

So If her notes were made at the time you would think that yes the find of the silencer with blood and a hair  and the fact it was reported to the police  would have been significant enough to be noted.

[guest154]

According to Annes own later statement she had heard the police discussing the silencer connected with the gun on the 8th august . A member of the family then told the police they thought JB was not telling the truth about why the silencer and sights were not on the gun. In her own statement she said they discussed the implications of the blood on the silencer as soon as they saw it.

So If her notes were made at the time you would think that yes the find of the silencer with blood and a hair  and the fact it was reported to the police  would have been significant enough to be noted.

I'd expect there to be notes on the silencer too, Jan. Maybe the Bamber camp have them and they haven't been released. Or maybe Mike has them. I think just because we haven't seen them doesn't mean they don't exist.

[Alias]

Ann wrote her notes when she said she wrote them, unless there is proof/evidence existing that shows otherwise - anything else is just speculation.

Are you talking a different case again??   

You don´t find it odd that she did that? Her rather close family had been killed, she must have been in shock. Where was she when she wrote them?

[susan]

lookout I just remember toenail, and something about a false nail or something found in a make up bag  but I will be honest and say I cannot remember a whole nail being found but none of it is very clear in my mind

Lookout it was a chip of nail varnish from Sheila's toes that I was thinking about not a bit of nail.  Seem to remember something about a false nail but my memory fails me after all we are talking probably about 10.000 posts ago.  Sorry Mat I got that a wee bit wrong

[Patti]

The trouble is with the toenail its been widely excepted for a few years. I think it was one of her toes that appeared to have had red varnish missing that may have caused the assumption that a piece of nail from her toe was missing....I have never seen any document to confirm this, but have seen a photo that shows there is some varnish missing from one of her toes....it could be chipped, but the photo is not clear enough in order to be able to give a more determined answer....

[Jan]

I'd expect there to be notes on the silencer too, Jan. Maybe the Bamber camp have them and they haven't been released. Or maybe Mike has them. I think just because we haven't seen them doesn't mean they don't exist.

No there were not notes -she was asked about that in the 1991 COLP interview. She gave the excuse that Skippy used.

[Alias]

The trouble is with the toenail its been widely excepted for a few years. I think it was one of her toes that appeared to have had red varnish missing that may have caused the assumption that a piece of nail from her toe was missing....I have never seen any document to confirm this, but have seen a photo that shows there is some varnish missing from one of her toes....it could be chipped, but the photo is not clear enough in order to be able to give a more determined answer....

I  am not sure anything is missing from her toenail, the picture is very unclear.
As far as I am concerned, what we see might just be highlight.

[susan]

The trouble is with the toenail its been widely excepted for a few years. I think it was one of her toes that appeared to have had red varnish missing that may have caused the assumption that a piece of nail from her toe was missing....I have never seen any document to confirm this, but have seen a photo that shows there is some varnish missing from one of her toes....it could be chipped, but the photo is not clear enough in order to be able to give a more determined answer....

Hello Patti

I remember many moons ago we discussed this but I honestly thought it was a bit of nail with varnish on it but now I guess it was just the chip of varnish.  I think we discussed it with Maggie and Bridget

[guest154]

The trouble is with the toenail its been widely excepted for a few years. I think it was one of her toes that appeared to have had red varnish missing that may have caused the assumption that a piece of nail from her toe was missing....I have never seen any document to confirm this, but have seen a photo that shows there is some varnish missing from one of her toes....it could be chipped, but the photo is not clear enough in order to be able to give a more determined answer....

But how does a toe that appears to have red varnish missing - turn into a finger nail that had come off when June and Neville were scratched? (even though there were NO scratch marks on them?).

I do agree that there are things that have been believed for years that cause people to mis-remember what is fact and what is suspicion (guilters are just as guilty of it) but I don't see how in this instance toe nail varnish has turned into a full finger nail, it annoys me to be honest Patti.

Hello Patti

I remember many moons ago we discussed this but I honestly thought it was a bit of nail with varnish on it but now I guess it was just the chip of varnish.  I think we discussed it with Maggie and Bridget

Yeah you're right, it was Bridget who cleared this up the first time.

No there were not notes -she was asked about that in the 1991 COLP interview. She gave the excuse that Skippy used.

Thanks, Jan. As I said, I wasn't sure & it's been a long time since I read any of the COLP.

[lookout]

 I'm obviously talking in a foreign language--------------I give up ! I could get more sense from an amoeba.

[guest154]

Sorry Mat I got that a wee bit wrong

It's okay  JUST DONT DO IT AGAIN!!!   

[Alias]

I'm obviously talking in a foreign language--------------I give up ! I could get more sense from an amoeba.

I am the foreigner here, LOL!

[lookout]

I am the foreigner here, LOL!

Gawd,here I am talking about AE finding a fingernail,and there's a pic of a toenail  Then Mat chips in as per to tell me I'm " making things up " ( stealing Scipio's thunder as it's he who says that )
I know damn well it's on this forum about AE finding a fingernail and putting it into a makeup bag.

This thread IS about Ann Eaton if I'm not mistaken.

BTW,my foreign language is a lot different to yours.

[guest154]

Gawd,here I am talking about AE finding a fingernail,and there's a pic of a toenail  Then Mat chips in as per to tell me I'm " making things up " ( stealing Scipio's thunder as it's he who says that )
I know damn well it's on this forum about AE finding a fingernail and putting it into a makeup bag.

This thread IS about Ann Eaton if I'm not mistaken.

BTW,my foreign language is a lot different to yours.

Oh please, I've been pointing this out a lot longer than Scip has even been here. The problem is you ignore things when corrected. In this topic you claim fignernail scratch marks on JUNE. The autopsy report has been provided, to prove you wrong on this point again yet you completely ignore it & will continue to make false points in the future - that's why I say you make things up.

[susan]

Gawd,here I am talking about AE finding a fingernail,and there's a pic of a toenail  Then Mat chips in as per to tell me I'm " making things up " ( stealing Scipio's thunder as it's he who says that )
I know damn well it's on this forum about AE finding a fingernail and putting it into a makeup bag.

This thread IS about Ann Eaton if I'm not mistaken

Lookout  sorry it is me who brought the bit of toenail into the post . I was nearly right it was a chip of nail varnish from one of Sheila's toes that was found.  The false nail and makeup bag rings bells but not loud enough for me to say more

BTW,my foreign language is a lot different to yours.