Russia - worrying?

[nugnug]

https://youtu.be/RSoGiFCzhLw

[Roch]

My Northern twopenneth.. my town from the air. I have to admit, I have experience of both southern and northern living. Pros and cons. I think we are less overcrowded in the northeast.

[David1819]

Difficult to see how this can be brought to an end. The Ukrainians have caused severe casualties to the Russian military, which you would think might give them an advantage in negotiations, as it is clear that Ukraine could turn in to a mass grave for Russian soldiers if the war continues. But if Ukraine try and play that card in negotiations, all that is going to happen is that Russia will pulverise Ukrainian cities and cause mass casualties among the civilian population, as well as destroying infrastructure.

If NATO tries to supply Ukraine with arms, those shipments could become targets for Russia. Then there will be an incident which NATO could use to intervene. That would escalate in to a wider conflict which nobody wants.

If the Ukrainian leader enters in to an agreement which was already on the table prior to the invasion, all the Ukrainian deaths will be seen as being in vain. Therefore, to reach an agreement, Putin might have to concede on some of his pre- invasion red lines. If that happened, I think he would be deposed after the conflict ends, due to the loss of Russian military lives and the damage to Russia"s economy / impact on its oligarchy.  As it could be argued, that this was too high a price to pay for the agreement.

There is no positive outcome for Putin either way. He has united the Ukrainian people against Russia and severed all bridges for decades if not centuries. At least 6000 Russian troops killed and they have only taken one out of twenty major cities.

[lookout]

It's the battle for Odessa that's worrying me now so far as casualties go. It'll be horrendous.

[lookout]

My Northern twopenneth.. my town from the air. I have to admit, I have experience of both southern and northern living. Pros and cons. I think we are less overcrowded in the northeast.

I'm on the edge of the sea too---the little bit that juts out on the map across from where you are.

[Roch]

There is no positive outcome for Putin either way. He has united the Ukrainian people against Russia and severed all bridges for decades if not centuries. At least 6000 Russian troops killed and they have only taken one out of twenty major cities.

FT article..

https://www.ft.com/content/90421972-2f1e-4871-a4c6-0a9e9257e9b0

[David1819]

FT article..

https://www.ft.com/content/90421972-2f1e-4871-a4c6-0a9e9257e9b0

Its behind a paywall.

[Roch]

Its behind a paywall.

See if this works?  I accessed the article in Google search 'what percentage of Russian military are in Ukraine'

[David1819]

See if this works?  I accessed the article in Google search 'what percentage of Russian military are in Ukraine'

I think I have exceeded my amount of monthly free articles for FT.

[David1819]

Close combat in Mariupol

https://v.redd.it/93fyrphhjcn81/DASH_720.mp4

[David1819]

Today, a missile impact in Kurenivka district, Kyiv.


https://v.redd.it/7ehrejl94cn81/DASH_480.mp4

[Roch]

I think I have exceeded my amount of monthly free articles for FT.

It worked for me on a phone search. But I can't access FT articles normally. I see they're saying three UK special forces may have been killed in the western Ukraine attack. 

[David1819]

It worked for me on a phone search. But I can't access FT articles normally. I see they're saying three UK special forces may have been killed in the western Ukraine attack.

Thousands of volunteers from around the world are in Ukraine.

[Roch]

Thousands of volunteers from around the world are in Ukraine.

But this was a base that NATO personnel visited. So our own special forces 'Ex-special forces' have been inside Ukraine, which is basically what I suggested before, ie re training etc.  It was also in the Guardian recently that Azov brigade had been incorporated in to Ukrainian forces. Ironically, this was in an article trying to undermine Russian claims that there were Nazis in Ukraine.

Regarding Ex-special forces. You never know whether they're volunteers / mercenaries or just not 'officially' in a role but in position with the full knowledge of whichever dept.

[David1819]

But this was a base that NATO personnel visited. So our own special forces 'Ex-special forces' have been inside Ukraine, which is basically what I suggested before, ie re training etc.  It was also in the Guardian recently that Azov brigade had been incorporated in to Ukrainian forces. Ironically, this was in an article trying to undermine Russian claims that there were Nazis in Ukraine.

Regarding Ex-special forces. You never know whether they're volunteers / mercenaries or just not 'officially' in a role but in position with the full knowledge of whichever dept.

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