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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #1185 on: March 13, 2022, 03:22:PM »
Still a way to go until he catches up with the Scousers:

https://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/collections/social-history/blitz

Do you remember the blitz?





No, I don't remember the blitz. I was born just after the war began, but I do remember bombers flying over from Burtonwood. We had an Anderson shelter in the garden on top of which dad grew strawberries.

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« Reply #1186 on: March 13, 2022, 03:24:PM »
BTW, I'm not a " Scouser " as was born 10 miles out of Liverpool. Though better than the champagne Charley's any day ! More human.

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« Reply #1187 on: March 13, 2022, 03:48:PM »
No, I don't remember the blitz. I was born just after the war began, but I do remember bombers flying over from Burtonwood. We had an Anderson shelter in the garden on top of which dad grew strawberries.

Had to look up 'Anderson shelter'.  How did you come to have one?

Do you remember rationing?  I wonder if something similar will happen with fuel if it becomes scarce?

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« Reply #1188 on: March 13, 2022, 03:52:PM »
BTW, I'm not a " Scouser " as was born 10 miles out of Liverpool. Though better than the champagne Charley's any day ! More human.

Lets not split hairs its north of Watford Gap!  Full of dread and horror. 

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« Reply #1189 on: March 13, 2022, 04:23:PM »
Had to look up 'Anderson shelter'.  How did you come to have one?

Do you remember rationing?  I wonder if something similar will happen with fuel if it becomes scarce?





We had an Anderson shelter because mum would never go into a communal one ( air-raid shelter ). My dad had apparently rigged up the shelter below ground using corrugated metal for the walls and ceiling then he'd dug up sods of grass and soil from other areas of the garden. After the war he filled it all in again after emptying loads of sand-bagged soil back into it. Nobody would ever have known it was there. 

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« Reply #1190 on: March 13, 2022, 04:31:PM »
Lets not split hairs its north of Watford Gap!  Full of dread and horror.


It's all those "dark Satanic mills" what does it!

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« Reply #1191 on: March 13, 2022, 04:58:PM »
Had to look up 'Anderson shelter'.  How did you come to have one?

Do you remember rationing?  I wonder if something similar will happen with fuel if it becomes scarce?





I do remember rationing and I've still got some ration books somewhere around the place. I was never aware of a petrol shortage as dad always seemed to be driving somewhere in his Standard Vanguard , an ugly car I used to think as a child, big and bulky.
I think it was the grocers shop where mum queued up at. We had our own fruit and veg up the garden.
Clothing rations too of which I don't remember much of as we didn't seem to go without anything. Until we knew a farmer, locally, powdered egg was used for baking as that was all there was, yuk !

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« Reply #1192 on: March 13, 2022, 05:01:PM »
I believe brother and I should have been evacuated but mum had refused so we took our chances. We weren't far from a USA airforce base so it was obviously a target during the war.

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« Reply #1193 on: March 13, 2022, 07:41:PM »
"Osama Bin Laden, Islamic State chief Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi and Iranian
Republican Guard Commander Qasem Soleimani all represented direct
threats to the West. They were all killed to counter those threats.
Putin represents a permanent and deadly threat that will remain while he
is in power.

“Our priority should be to help remove
him. If enough pressure is brought to bear on Putin’s oligarchs it could
lead to a palace coup.”


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/western-allies-should-not-rule-26452793?fbclid=IwAR0U3QKbzcObxotW4PZZAlcC7zu6BfbHuxhttKciyibqB3og0csUfUxf5aA

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #1194 on: March 13, 2022, 08:51:PM »

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/western-allies-should-not-rule-26452793?fbclid=IwAR0U3QKbzcObxotW4PZZAlcC7zu6BfbHuxhttKciyibqB3og0csUfUxf5aA

"Osama Bin Laden, Islamic State chief Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi and Iranian Republican Guard Commander Qasem Soleimani all represented directthreats to the West. They were all killed to counter those threats.Putin represents a permanent and deadly threat that will remain while he is in power.“Our priority should be to help remove him. If enough pressure is brought to bear on Putin’s oligarchs it could lead to a palace coup.”..
« Last Edit: March 13, 2022, 08:54:PM by mike tesko »
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #1195 on: March 13, 2022, 09:21:PM »
"Osama Bin Laden, Islamic State chief Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi and Iranian
Republican Guard Commander Qasem Soleimani all represented direct
threats to the West. They were all killed to counter those threats.
Putin represents a permanent and deadly threat that will remain while he
is in power.

“Our priority should be to help remove
him. If enough pressure is brought to bear on Putin’s oligarchs it could
lead to a palace coup.”


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/western-allies-should-not-rule-26452793?fbclid=IwAR0U3QKbzcObxotW4PZZAlcC7zu6BfbHuxhttKciyibqB3og0csUfUxf5aA

In other words, if we can engineer Putin's downfall, we are back on course to rule the world again. Next target probably Iran.

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« Reply #1196 on: March 13, 2022, 11:24:PM »
Can anthropolgists say for sure we haven't progressed to this point previously?!  Was the 'origin' of the universe aka the 'big bang' in fact a nuclear explosion?!

This is very plausible, but it would obviously be a different species.  We would assume a hominid or proto-hominid species of some sort, but it could have been reptiles.  Humans could be hybrids of them.  I've always thought that when David Icke talks about reptilians in human form, the notion is not as strange or outlandish as it first seems, provided you don't take him literally and instead treat it as a theory of human hybrid evolution. 

We think of homo sapiens sapiens as one single species descended from primates.  This is now anthropological dogma, but seems naive and simplistic to me, as there are vast differences across human populations. 

Maybe psychopathy has some sort of physical anthropological explanation along these lines, in that psychopaths are a 'species within a species' who belong to a genetic line hybridised differently to most others and their psychopathy is an expression of a latent primeval pedigree?

Bear in mind also that, in a similar way to physical anthropology, the Big Bang theory is cosmological dogma without much rigorous science to back it up.  It's essentially theorising based on what evidence can be gathered.  Our metaphysical comprehension is impaired as we lack the full picture and also have a tendency since modernity to lean on 'science' dogmatically.  It may not be true.  The Universe could instead be a physical constant, or could be shrinking, or there may be multiple universies (multi-verses) or there may be additional dimensions of physical reality we don't know of.  There are other explanations.

Save for my allusions to political ponerology and references to psychopathy, this the whole topic belongs on a different thread of course.

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #1198 on: March 14, 2022, 05:18:PM »
Difficult to see how this can be brought to an end. The Ukrainians have caused severe casualties to the Russian military, which you would think might give them an advantage in negotiations, as it is clear that Ukraine could turn in to a mass grave for Russian soldiers if the war continues. But if Ukraine try and play that card in negotiations, all that is going to happen is that Russia will pulverise Ukrainian cities and cause mass casualties among the civilian population, as well as destroying infrastructure.

If NATO tries to supply Ukraine with arms, those shipments could become targets for Russia. Then there will be an incident which NATO could use to intervene. That would escalate in to a wider conflict which nobody wants.

If the Ukrainian leader enters in to an agreement which was already on the table prior to the invasion, all the Ukrainian deaths will be seen as being in vain. Therefore, to reach an agreement, Putin might have to concede on some of his pre- invasion red lines. If that happened, I think he would be deposed after the conflict ends, due to the loss of Russian military lives and the damage to Russia"s economy / impact on its oligarchy.  As it could be argued, that this was too high a price to pay for the agreement.
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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #1199 on: March 14, 2022, 05:26:PM »
Lets not split hairs its north of Watford Gap!  Full of dread and horror.

Completely  ::)