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Re: submit questions for the Essex Police Challenge
« Reply #435 on: March 11, 2015, 09:28:PM »
Mat forgive me if I am being dumb but should that not read 78% proves I read your posts hahaha


 :o :o :o :o proves you can count too... just checking!!  ;D ;D ;D

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Re: submit questions for the Essex Police Challenge
« Reply #436 on: March 11, 2015, 09:29:PM »
Where did you read that David?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Bamber#Life_and_career

Under Early life and education - Beginning of the fourth paragraph is sais

"A close friend of his, Brett Collins, said Bamber was sexually assaulted when he was 11, around the time he started at Gresham's"

I would like some more sources to clarify this

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Re: submit questions for the Essex Police Challenge
« Reply #437 on: March 11, 2015, 09:30:PM »
hahaha Mat thought it was a trick question ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: submit questions for the Essex Police Challenge
« Reply #438 on: March 11, 2015, 09:32:PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Bamber#Life_and_career

Under Early life and education - Beginning of the fourth paragraph is sais

"A close friend of his, Brett Collins, said Bamber was sexually assaulted when he was 11, around the time he started at Gresham's"

I would like some more sources to clarify this
I am always a bit sceptical, David as we never really know what is truth and what is hearsay. I think I've heard this before and have an inkling it may be a quote from a book.  Not Lomax and pretty sure not Wilkes  :-\

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Re: submit questions for the Essex Police Challenge
« Reply #439 on: March 11, 2015, 09:34:PM »
it hasnt really got any bearing on his guilt or innocence.

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Re: submit questions for the Essex Police Challenge
« Reply #440 on: March 11, 2015, 09:35:PM »
Why should I deal with anything that you raise? It takes me half the night to digest what you have posted. However, I do take on board some of the things you post and I quite agree with them.

The problem I have is being told by you that I am biased and do not demonstrate anything.  Well, I have come to the decision that I am going to speak to you as you speak to me.

You twist and turn everything I say, to suit you and your glamorized beliefs because you cannot come to terms with anything that anyone puts too you.  If I was to say the black is black you would write an epilogue saying it is not so.

I have said what I said about the phone call and it has gotten so twisted its enough to make me take the duster and polish the polished table.  I am not going to continue to repeat myself either.

Contradiction. I am biased because I believe that there is no evidence to prove one way or the other that telephone from Nevill to Jeremy existed.... I wont shift on that opinion either, is that OK?

This provides a very good example for the stalemate that I have articulated is present on this board.

The things you say you have no need to deal and can't read because it takes too long constitute the evidence in the case that convicted Jeremy.

You refuse to make the effort to fully understand the case against Jeremy.  You refuse to undertake a complete objective evaluation of the evidence.  You have decided what you want to believe from a position of ignorance and in turn that means your opinion is not rationally based.  The only way to make in informed rational decision is to learn the full case against Jeremy understand it and then either accept the evidence or refute it.

When you decide in advance of hearing and evaluating all the evidence and arguments what you want to believe it is driven by prejudice.  The word comes from pre-judging which mean judging before you are in a reasonable position to make a decision.

This board consist of 3 main personalities- those trying to sway others to change their views like Adam and Mike,  those like yourself who have decided what you want to believe no matter what and will not be moved no matter what evidence is pointed out to demonstrate otherwise and then those who want a real debate of the issues.  Those who have decided their opinions are immovable no matter what evidence is brought to bear are not interested in the truth but rather interested in pretending the truth is what they want to believe no matter what.

If there were actual evidence that the blood in the moderator had been planted I would actually change my views of the case because I follow the evidence.  People who want to desperately believe it was planted choose to believe it despite their being no evidence of it.  These unsupported beliefs are then used to assert Jeremy is the victim of an MOJ and should be released though there isn't any evidence to establish such. 

I readily admit I can't prove God exists.  I readily admit that those who believe in God are taking a leap of father that is why it is called having faith when you believe in God.   People who support Jeremy are taking a leap of faith but many don't want to admit that is what they are doing or refuse to face that is what they are doing.

Politeness is organized indifference- Paul Valéry

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Re: submit questions for the Essex Police Challenge
« Reply #441 on: March 11, 2015, 09:39:PM »
 Self praise is no recommendation !

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Re: submit questions for the Essex Police Challenge
« Reply #442 on: March 11, 2015, 09:40:PM »
I haven't guessed.

Caroline/Scip say 50/50. You say 90/10 or 100/0.
   Can't you read? I said that, "it would be more reasonable to assume 90/10 or 100/0" given Patti's professed belief in JB's innocence. This was in response to scipio's unintentionally ironic post where he did assume 50/50.
    I have assumed nothing of the sort. I have merely stated that scip's and Caroline's assumptions seem to only allow for 50/50 or 100/0 with nothing in between.
   If you haven't guessed then why do you request that Patti clears it up so that "we can stop guessing".
Does we not include yourself?

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Re: submit questions for the Essex Police Challenge
« Reply #443 on: March 11, 2015, 09:40:PM »
Actually it leaves 78% of women who don't. ;)

Still, even if it was only 1% of woman with PS that kill, it would still be 'possible' that somebody with the illness 'could' kill.
Which I believe was your original point.

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Re: submit questions for the Essex Police Challenge
« Reply #444 on: March 11, 2015, 09:45:PM »
Hey gringo when Adam appears he will start a thread ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D  Patti's Percentages.  What a hoot ;D
  He could add one of his infamous polls Susan  ::) ::) ::)

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Re: submit questions for the Essex Police Challenge
« Reply #445 on: March 11, 2015, 09:45:PM »
Maggie I thought I had read that in a book about Jeremy I have only read Colin's and I remember talk of Jeremy being a bully but will look again but I have read it somewhere.

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Re: submit questions for the Essex Police Challenge
« Reply #446 on: March 11, 2015, 09:47:PM »
gringo good idea I will have a word when he is on he will love it ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: submit questions for the Essex Police Challenge
« Reply #447 on: March 11, 2015, 09:50:PM »
This provides a very good example for the stalemate that I have articulated is present on this board.

The things you say you have no need to deal and can't read because it takes too long constitute the evidence in the case that convicted Jeremy.

You refuse to make the effort to fully understand the case against Jeremy.  You refuse to undertake a complete objective evaluation of the evidence.  You have decided what you want to believe from a position of ignorance and in turn that means your opinion is not rationally based.  The only way to make in informed rational decision is to learn the full case against Jeremy understand it and then either accept the evidence or refute it.

When you decide in advance of hearing and evaluating all the evidence and arguments what you want to believe it is driven by prejudice.  The word comes from pre-judging which mean judging before you are in a reasonable position to make a decision.

This board consist of 3 main personalities- those trying to sway others to change their views like Adam and Mike,  those like yourself who have decided what you want to believe no matter what and will not be moved no matter what evidence is pointed out to demonstrate otherwise and then those who want a real debate of the issues.  Those who have decided their opinions are immovable no matter what evidence is brought to bear are not interested in the truth but rather interested in pretending the truth is what they want to believe no matter what.

If there were actual evidence that the blood in the moderator had been planted I would actually change my views of the case because I follow the evidence.  People who want to desperately believe it was planted choose to believe it despite their being no evidence of it.  These unsupported beliefs are then used to assert Jeremy is the victim of an MOJ and should be released though there isn't any evidence to establish such. 

I readily admit I can't prove God exists.  I readily admit that those who believe in God are taking a leap of father that is why it is called having faith when you believe in God.   People who support Jeremy are taking a leap of faith but many don't want to admit that is what they are doing or refuse to face that is what they are doing.

Clap Clap Clap  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Get down off that pedestal Skipo for your posts are like bone China and are becoming more and more transparent with time.

I was discussing one point,. where as you are taking what I was saying as a whole reflection on this case.


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Re: submit questions for the Essex Police Challenge
« Reply #448 on: March 11, 2015, 09:51:PM »
Maggie I thought I had read that in a book about Jeremy I have only read Colin's and I remember talk of Jeremy being a bully but will look again but I have read it somewhere.
I haven't read Colin's so maybe it is in there?  I thought Colin was close to Jeremy and they were like brothers before the murders so strange if he said he was a bully????

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Re: submit questions for the Essex Police Challenge
« Reply #449 on: March 11, 2015, 09:51:PM »
   Can't you read? I said that, "it would be more reasonable to assume 90/10 or 100/0" given Patti's professed belief in JB's innocence. This was in response to scipio's unintentionally ironic post where he did assume 50/50.
    I have assumed nothing of the sort. I have merely stated that scip's and Caroline's assumptions seem to only allow for 50/50 or 100/0 with nothing in between.
   If you haven't guessed then why do you request that Patti clears it up so that "we can stop guessing".
Does we not include yourself?

I think something is being missed.

Taking the possibility of a call in isolation,  there is no reasonable argument of whether it occurred or not.

It is only when you consider other evidence that you can form an opinion as to whether the call occurred or not. Obviously if you believe Sheila is guilty, then the call existed; if you believe JB is the killer, then it didn't.

The initial point being made, was that if JB is guilty and therefore no call took place, then by making up the call, he sealed his own fate.

That is clearly the case.