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Re: submit questions for the Essex Police Challenge
« Reply #420 on: March 11, 2015, 09:09:PM »
  Why are you guessing? What difference does it make?

I haven't guessed.

Caroline/Scip say 50/50. You say 90/10 or 100/0.

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Re: submit questions for the Essex Police Challenge
« Reply #421 on: March 11, 2015, 09:11:PM »
I said "etc". For Bamber there was Julies testimony there was the silencer. What else was there for Sheila?

Standing up in court and presenting a Sheila is guilty case with the only evidence being "paranoid schizophrenia in her past".....





Julie's testimony ?  ;D I shall pass on that. The silencer too was a bum steer--------anything else ?

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Re: submit questions for the Essex Police Challenge
« Reply #422 on: March 11, 2015, 09:11:PM »
Hopefully Patti will answer for herself what her percentages are and the reasons why - then we can stop guessing.  ;D
   Do you wonder what percentage other posters put on the call happening, or just Patti?
     If it bothers you so much why don't you start a thread on it and then you could stop wondering. I am sure posters would be forthcoming.

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Re: submit questions for the Essex Police Challenge
« Reply #423 on: March 11, 2015, 09:13:PM »

I am not making any assumptions Patti stated the following:

I didn't make any assumptions, Patti was crystal clear. 

Patti has never dealt with the issues I raised which establish the call was not reasonably likely to have occurred.  Nor has any other Jeremy supporter despite being challenged to do so time and again.

Patti chooses to ignore such and just pretend there is no evidence that tells us whether the call happened or didn't and thus there is reasonable doubt over his guilt.  It amounts to creating the fiction the call was possible to create the fiction there is reasonable doubt.

Why should I deal with anything that you raise? It takes me half the night to digest what you have posted. However, I do take on board some of the things you post and I quite agree with them.

The problem I have is being told by you that I am biased and do not demonstrate anything.  Well, I have come to the decision that I am going to speak to you as you speak to me.

You twist and turn everything I say, to suit you and your glamorized beliefs because you cannot come to terms with anything that anyone puts too you.  If I was to say the black is black you would write an epilogue saying it is not so.

I have said what I said about the phone call and it has gotten so twisted its enough to make me take the duster and polish the polished table.  I am not going to continue to repeat myself either.

Contradiction. I am biased because I believe that there is no evidence to prove one way or the other that telephone from Nevill to Jeremy existed.... I wont shift on that opinion either, is that OK?

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Re: submit questions for the Essex Police Challenge
« Reply #424 on: March 11, 2015, 09:14:PM »
   Do you wonder what percentage other posters put on the call happening, or just Patti?
     If it bothers you so much why don't you start a thread on it and then you could stop wondering. I am sure posters would be forthcoming.

Huh? I didn't guess her percentage!! It was you, Caroline and Scip. I said hopefully she will answer for herself so you can all stop arguing over her percentages.

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Re: submit questions for the Essex Police Challenge
« Reply #425 on: March 11, 2015, 09:15:PM »




It's all down to Dr Ferguson's report saying that Sheila had deteriorated. I would have liked him to have specified.


I CAN understand that Dr F would have noticed a deterioration in her since she'd previously left his care. After all, deterioration was the reason she's returned to his care. But I really don't feel that he could have said of her, in his final report of her, that she's deteriorated, because had she still been in a deteriorated state, surely he wouldn't have allowed her to leave. If she had been well enough to leave, albeit, in his opinion, too soon, he couldn't have believed her to be deteriorated and because he didn't see her again, would have had no idea what was her state.

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« Reply #426 on: March 11, 2015, 09:19:PM »
Hey gringo when Adam appears he will start a thread ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D  Patti's Percentages.  What a hoot ;D

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« Reply #427 on: March 11, 2015, 09:20:PM »
It may not make her a killer but it could, 22% of women diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia murder, so it isn't an impossibility imo.

Are you saying nearly 1 in 4 woman who are diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia commit murder?  :o

That's a very high percentage. I don't know any better, but it sounds unbelievable.  :-\

May I ask where such statistics originate?

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« Reply #428 on: March 11, 2015, 09:22:PM »
Are you saying nearly 1 in 4 woman who are diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia commit murder?  :o

That's a very high percentage. I don't know any better, but it sounds unbelievable.  :-\

May I ask where such statistics originate?

22 percent does seem very high. Still, by her own figures (if true) leaves 88% of women with paranoid schizophrenia that don't.

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« Reply #429 on: March 11, 2015, 09:24:PM »

I CAN understand that Dr F would have noticed a deterioration in her since she'd previously left his care. After all, deterioration was the reason she's returned to his care. But I really don't feel that he could have said of her, in his final report of her, that she's deteriorated, because had she still been in a deteriorated state, surely he wouldn't have allowed her to leave. If she had been well enough to leave, albeit, in his opinion, too soon, he couldn't have believed her to be deteriorated and because he didn't see her again, would have had no idea what was her state.





Dr Ferguson wasn't happy that Sheila left before her time but he couldn't have done anything about it because she hadn't been committed/sectioned,which I thought she had been.
It struck me that Dr Ferguson was at a loss what to do to be perfectly honest. He was working blindfold himself at times as I suspect that a lot of what Sheila had said and done was kept from him.

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Re: submit questions for the Essex Police Challenge
« Reply #430 on: March 11, 2015, 09:25:PM »
Are you saying nearly 1 in 4 woman who are diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia commit murder?  :o

That's a very high percentage. I don't know any better, but it sounds unbelievable.  :-\

May I ask where such statistics originate?
Hi Hartley, I do agree it does seem very high, I saw it on a recent tv programme.  I haven't followed it up with research since  so there may be conflicting figures, however it is clear that it isn't impossible for sufferers of paranoid schizophrenia to kill.

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« Reply #431 on: March 11, 2015, 09:26:PM »
22 percent does seem very high. Still, by her own figures (if true) leaves 88% of women with paranoid schizophrenia that don't.
Actually it leaves 78% of women who don't. ;)

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« Reply #432 on: March 11, 2015, 09:27:PM »
Hi Hartley, I do agree it does seem very high, I saw it on a recent tv programme.  I haven't followed it up with research since  so there may be conflicting figures, however it is clear that it isn't impossible for sufferers of paranoid schizophrenia to kill.

I don't know any better as I say, just curious really.

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« Reply #433 on: March 11, 2015, 09:27:PM »
Mat forgive me if I am being dumb but should that not read 78% proves I read your posts hahaha

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Re: submit questions for the Essex Police Challenge
« Reply #434 on: March 11, 2015, 09:28:PM »
Actually it leaves 78% of women who don't. ;)

Haha,  yes, but I got his point.