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Offline lookout

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Re: submit questions for the Essex Police Challenge
« Reply #390 on: March 11, 2015, 08:08:PM »
You have no idea how she got any of her scars.

I broke a giant window and don't have a scar from the cuts.  I don't have any scars on my hands from any the fights I was involved in either though they got cut on teeth and other things.  The only scar on my hand was obtained from the metal rails of a banker's box cutting me. So instead of scar with a cool story behind it, I got my most noticeable scar while getting something from a file. 








So once again you dispute what a doctor has to say. ::)

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« Reply #391 on: March 11, 2015, 08:08:PM »
I don't particularly care what people say about her. I pay attention to the pertinent issues regarding her her body and to a lesser degree her medication. She could have been the worst person in the world but if the evidence proves she didn't kill herself or anyone else then it would still make no difference how horrible she was. Some people seem to want to not pay attention to the evidence that matters and instead evaluate this case based on their perceptions of Jeremy and Sheila.  It's not a valid basis to evaluate the case but worse those perceptions are largely shaped by innuendo.

I don't see any way to get enough info to accurately evaluate what they were like in full and see no reason to even bother to try to look for such information because it is not relevant to the issue of guilt.


Guess what, Skippy? I don't particularly care that you don't particularly care what people say about her. In fact, I'm not particularly interested in your opinion any more than you're interested in mine. If you were you wouldn't be talking about how she might have been the worst person in the world with the underlying implication that I'd suggested she was other than a nice person. NOR have I suggested that she killed herself or anyone else.

When it comes to what makes people who they are, Skippy, you've said it yourself very succinctly "I.........see no reason to even bother to try to look for such information .................." I think it sums you up very well so I'll tell you what, you just carry on doing what you trained to do and allow me to carry on doing what I was trained to do. As neither appears to have anything in common with the other we should be able to avoid each others company, shouldn't we.

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« Reply #392 on: March 11, 2015, 08:09:PM »
Apparently Brett Collins said Jeremy was molested when he was 11 years old at Gresham boarding school. Children who get sexually abused specialy males are known to develop personality disorder later on in life

Where did you read that David?
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Re: submit questions for the Essex Police Challenge
« Reply #393 on: March 11, 2015, 08:09:PM »
A Sociopath ?

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Re: submit questions for the Essex Police Challenge
« Reply #395 on: March 11, 2015, 08:16:PM »
   Are you being ironic deliberately?
    You criticise people for supposedly making assumptions yet you assume that Patti assumes a 50/50 possibility either way. Where does Patti claim that it is a 50/50  chance? Are you just assuming that she does because you have no real examples of Patti's assumptions?
    You also assume that Patti has not evaluated the evidence, based only on the fact that she disagrees with your own assumptions.
    The assumption that the phone call was possible is reasonable and a long winded biased diatribe from scipio does not change anything.

Thank you Gringo...I was just about to type the same, but you have put it far better than I could.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: submit questions for the Essex Police Challenge
« Reply #396 on: March 11, 2015, 08:21:PM »
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They're NEVER wrong.
They NEVER apologise.
They'll NEVER admit defeat no matter what.
They write endless lines of THEIR facts to get their point across, which you MUST believe or else you come in for a barrage of abuse and insults.

I'm sure there'll be other foibles to match the description. Others which we won't know of.

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« Reply #397 on: March 11, 2015, 08:21:PM »
Apparently Brett Collins said Jeremy was molested when he was 11 years old at Gresham boarding school. Children who get sexually abused specialy males are known to develop personality disorder later on in life

PTSD and borderline personality disorder are a much more common occurrence with victims who are not treated efficiently:

http://psychcentral.com/disorders/borderline-personality-disorder-symptoms/

Such still would have little to do with his long term planning of their murders so he could have the family fortune all to himself.

 
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« Reply #398 on: March 11, 2015, 08:22:PM »
IMO Jeremy would have had to have had a severe personality disorder to do what he did and then coolsy stand outside the farmhouse that night.  I have never seen any mention of juvenile delinquency or violence etc. which is the normal history of someone with such a disorder.


Well, I know someone who insists he's guilty because he (allegedly!!!!!!!) broke a boy's arm. I asked from whom she'd learned it/where she'd read it. Naturally, she had no idea. NO!!!! I DON'T believe it...............but he DID have the reputation of a bully and a tease, BOTH of which COULD signify a PD.

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Re: submit questions for the Essex Police Challenge
« Reply #399 on: March 11, 2015, 08:22:PM »

They're NEVER wrong.
They NEVER apologise.
They'll NEVER admit defeat no matter what.
They write endless lines of THEIR facts to get their point across, which you MUST believe or else you come in for a barrage of abuse and insults.

I'm sure there'll be other foibles to match the description. Others which we won't know of.

You are largely describing yourself all you left out is that you refuse to see the facts as they really are.
Politeness is organized indifference- Paul Valéry

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Re: submit questions for the Essex Police Challenge
« Reply #400 on: March 11, 2015, 08:27:PM »
You are largely describing yourself all you left out is that you refuse to see the facts as they really are.





There you go you see,blaming someone else. It's not ME who refuses to see facts !!

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Re: submit questions for the Essex Police Challenge
« Reply #401 on: March 11, 2015, 08:30:PM »
   Are you being ironic deliberately?
    You criticise people for supposedly making assumptions yet you assume that Patti assumes a 50/50 possibility either way. Where does Patti claim that it is a 50/50  chance? Are you just assuming that she does because you have no real examples of Patti's assumptions?
    You also assume that Patti has not evaluated the evidence, based only on the fact that she disagrees with your own assumptions.
    The assumption that the phone call was possible is reasonable and a long winded biased diatribe from scipio does not change anything.

I think it's reasonable to assume Patti meant 50/50, given that she said we can't tell if the call happened or not (got to be one or the other - 50/50). However maybe she didn't mean 50/50 and if not, perhaps she can clear that up by explaining what she did mean? Then we wouldn't need to assume. Also, it was Patti who claimed that believing the call didn't take place (and therefore assuming it meant Jeremy must be guilty) was 'utter rubbish'. Using your own argument, it is also reasonable to assume that the phone call didn't take place - so the 'utter rubbish' comment was also uncalled for and biased?
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Re: submit questions for the Essex Police Challenge
« Reply #402 on: March 11, 2015, 08:32:PM »
PTSD and borderline personality disorder are a much more common occurrence with victims who are not treated efficiently:

http://psychcentral.com/disorders/borderline-personality-disorder-symptoms/

Such still would have little to do with his long term planning of their murders so he could have the family fortune all to himself.

Actually Scip, abuse in childhood is one of the risk factors for psychopathy - but there are lots of other factors to consider alongside.
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Re: submit questions for the Essex Police Challenge
« Reply #403 on: March 11, 2015, 08:34:PM »




They're NEVER wrong.
They NEVER apologise.
They'll NEVER admit defeat no matter what.
They write endless lines of THEIR facts to get their point across, which you MUST believe or else you come in for a barrage of abuse and insults.

I'm sure there'll be other foibles to match the description. Others which we won't know of.


Lookout, that's VERY unkind. Mike has told us that everything he tells us IS the truth at the time he says it. It isn't HIS fault that the information keeps changing.

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Re: submit questions for the Essex Police Challenge
« Reply #404 on: March 11, 2015, 08:34:PM »

Lookout, that's VERY unkind. Mike has told us that everything he tells us IS the truth at the time he says it. It isn't HIS fault that the information keeps changing.

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