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Offline Caroline

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Re: Why did the police frame Jeremy ?
« Reply #60 on: January 10, 2015, 02:16:PM »
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Re: Why did the police frame Jeremy ?
« Reply #61 on: January 10, 2015, 02:19:PM »
I wouldn't have trusted JM as far as I could have thrown her. I don't know how she could ever have sworn on oath,or any of the prosecution for that matter.

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Re: Why did the police frame Jeremy ?
« Reply #62 on: January 10, 2015, 02:29:PM »
I'm a bit snippy today - I just hate it when people accuse you of saying things you haven't said. When was the last time I stuck up for JM?  ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Why did the police frame Jeremy ?
« Reply #63 on: January 10, 2015, 02:29:PM »
i dont trust anybody whos paid 25 grand for there evedence.

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Re: Why did the police frame Jeremy ?
« Reply #65 on: January 10, 2015, 02:33:PM »
That's the post where you support Mugford even while admitting she lied. Your basically contradicting yourself and claiming the right to. At a certain point a witness is seen to be discredited. It's no good saying that because she lied about A doesn't prove she lied about B.

This doesn't even make sense!
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Re: Why did the police frame Jeremy ?
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Re: Why did the police frame Jeremy ?
« Reply #67 on: January 10, 2015, 02:45:PM »
I'll let you have the last word.

Cheers!  ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Why did the police frame Jeremy ?
« Reply #68 on: January 10, 2015, 02:51:PM »
This doesn't even make sense!
I think I know what he means? He thinks that you are suggesting that some of her testimony was true? But he is wrong. What you believe is probably the same as what I believe as regards her testimony. That she lied, but there may be truth in some of it? Because a downright lie would probably not be believed. Therefore she possibly although not necessarily told a half truth? A half truth will be acknowledged by the prosecution and therefore be presumed to be the whole truth. So there may mave been certain things that were true, for example when she admitted to trying to strangle Jeremy.
But in any case that in no way presumes that you have defended her.
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Re: Why did the police frame Jeremy ?
« Reply #69 on: January 10, 2015, 02:52:PM »
I think I know what he means? He thinks that you are suggesting that some of her testimony was true? But he is wrong. What you believe is probably the same as what I believe as regards her testimony. That she lied, but there may be truth in some of it? Because a downright lie would probably not be believed. Therefore she possibly although not necessarily told a half truth? A half truth will be acknowledged by the prosecution and therefore be presumed to be the whole truth. So there may mave been certain things that were true, for example when she admitted to trying to strangle Jeremy.
But in any case that in no way presumes that you have defended her.

Exactly!  :)
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Re: Why did the police frame Jeremy ?
« Reply #70 on: January 10, 2015, 03:00:PM »
It only takes ONE truth to be believed for the rest of the time. JM had it off to a fine art,though she would have been taught this little gem.

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Re: Why did the police frame Jeremy ?
« Reply #71 on: January 10, 2015, 03:09:PM »
Caroline I can understand the confusion and I have not read everything that you have said on the lines of why you believe Jeremy to be guilty after once believing his innocence.

I am confused because firstly you say that you do not believe fully what JM said in her statements, yet there is a possibility that some truths were told. Could you outline what you might believe to be true and what you think might be false.

Also I am confused regarding the silencer...Do you believe this evidence to true or false? 

Not getting at you, but would like to know....

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Re: Why did the police frame Jeremy ?
« Reply #72 on: January 10, 2015, 05:02:PM »
I think it's just ***** to admit that Julie Mugford lied in the most important part of her evidence and still say that you trust her as a witness.

I think you're the one with an attitude problem.

I don't believe most of the evidence from JM - but I think that particular information ( on the bed etc) she was fed by the family - because that is what the police told them . I also (IMO) believe a lot of her evidence was fed by EP to fit the crime scene. Hence my thread on the fingerprints on the gun.

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Re: Why did the police frame Jeremy ?
« Reply #73 on: January 10, 2015, 06:46:PM »
Caroline I can understand the confusion and I have not read everything that you have said on the lines of why you believe Jeremy to be guilty after once believing his innocence.

I am confused because firstly you say that you do not believe fully what JM said in her statements, yet there is a possibility that some truths were told. Could you outline what you might believe to be true and what you think might be false.

Also I am confused regarding the silencer...Do you believe this evidence to true or false? 

Not getting at you, but would like to know....

Well, I must have said a million times (slight exaggeration) that I think the silencer was planted and purposely contaminated 'before' it arrived at the lab (whenever that was). I think SJ et al were certain Jeremy was guilty but were afraid they didn't have enough evidence and so - they helped it along. Even with the silencer evidence and JM's statement under his belt, SJ still commented that they might not have enough to satisfy the CPS.

As for JM, I don't think Jeremy told her all that actually happened, I think he only told her part of it, slotted in a few red herrings and completely made up the hit man story. I think he did so just in case she told someone and if her story was checked out, she would be discredited. I also think that SJ threatened her with an accessory prosecution so she was keen to give a statement and didn't mind embroidering the truth a little to save her own skin.

I believe Jeremy is guilty because the whole phone call scenario just doesn't tally with the timings and I can't excuse how the timings are now being shifted just to try and fit in a call from Nevill to police - which I believe is complete fiction. This together with the fact that he avoided answering the question about the wallet, made me suspicious 'initially' and once doubt sets in, you start to look at things differently.
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Re: Why did the police frame Jeremy ?
« Reply #74 on: January 10, 2015, 06:53:PM »
Well, I must have said a million times (slight exaggeration) that I think the silencer was planted and purposely contaminated 'before' it arrived at the lab (whenever that was). I think SJ et al were certain Jeremy was guilty but were afraid they didn't have enough evidence and so - they helped it along. Even with the silencer evidence and JM's statement under his belt, SJ still commented that they might not have enough to satisfy the CPS.

As for JM, I don't think Jeremy told her all that actually happened, I think he only told her part of it, slotted in a few red herrings and completely made up the hit man story. I think he did so just in case she told someone and if her story was checked out, she would be discredited. I also think that SJ threatened her with an accessory prosecution so she was keen to give a statement and didn't mind embroidering the truth a little to save her own skin.

I believe Jeremy is guilty because the whole phone call scenario just doesn't tally with the timings and I can't excuse how the timings are now being shifted just to try and fit in a call from Nevill to police - which I believe is complete fiction. This together with the fact that he avoided answering the question about the wallet, made me suspicious 'initially' and once doubt sets in, you start to look at things differently.

If he was that cautious, why tell her anything at all?