The lockable from outside window. A time for closure ?

[Adam]

You are getting there . If the latch just fell into place to be a secured window so that burglars could not get in then it would be a very unusual window.

That was never proved in front of the police.

That has always been my point .

When Jeremy went in to get his passport that is why he left a note to BW - because when he went out of the window he could not secure it.

The catch falling into place just means the window is shut. Burglars can easily get in, Bamber saying he could do so with a pen knife.

The police arriving will see all windows shut and assume no one had entered/exited the property in the last few hours.

[Jane]

And with one of those arm type catches the best he could have done would have been to unhook it before he left so he could get in again but he'd have had to chance to luck that it would have closed in a locking position.

[Adam]

No - Its in the archives his September statement.

Thank you.

The archives do not have any interview transcripts.

I want to see what the police said on the next page.

[Jane]

I think there's only one way entry and exit could be accomplished but Jeremy would have needed to be very adept with a glass cutter and putty

[Adam]

Found the interview.

So Bamber doesn't think he told Julie about the shutable from outside window.

[lookout]

He didn't have to.It wasn't important when mentioned in an everyday conversation.

Now if he'd mentioned ALL the details that you have,I'd have had my suspicions. So work that one out.

[Adam]

I am bringing closure to this thread.

I have supplied twelve sources and can do no more. Apart from find another twelve sources. But then they will be strangely called 'not primary sources'. Or the focus on the word closed/locked will be brought up on one of the sources.

In a population of 7.125 billion there is bound to be people who refuse to bring closure to a straight forward fact in a high profile case.

Bamber could bang the kitchen window from outside. The catch would then fall into place. Locked/shut/closed, you choose.

[Adam]

Prosecution opening statement - Wilkes's book. 

Julie Mugford.  

"Killers without conscience' thread. 

Barlow

Ann Eaton.  

2002 appeal. 

Wikipedia. 

Crimes & Criminals - Youtube. 

Inheritance Killers - Youtube. 

Murder UK - Jeremy Bamber. 

'St Tropez and more suspicions'  thread. 

Bamber's interview transcripts. Mentioned by the police.  

[lookout]

 AND ?

[Mr. Gee]

I am bringing closure to this thread.

I have supplied twelve sources and can do no more. Apart from find another twelve sources. But then they will be strangely called 'not primary sources'. Or the focus on the word closed/locked will be brought up on one of the sources.

In a population of 7.125 billion there is bound to be people who refuse to bring closure to a straight forward fact in a high profile case.

Bamber could bang the kitchen window from outside. The catch would then fall into place. Locked/shut/closed, you choose.

Adam you can bring it to a closure if you like. But there are some serious issues here that have not been resolved.
For instance just because a window or windows CAN be slammed shut does not prove that they WERE slammed shut by Bamber that night.
No matter what you say or how loud you say it you still have not proved one iota that Bamber was there that night.

You can make up any scenario you like, but you still have to prove that it was so and there is absolutely no proof forensically or any other way that Bamber did what you or anybody else says is true.

The nearest you or anyone else can come to proving Bamber was there that night and that he did what you said he did, barring of course an out and out confession by him is a guess and that is all anyone can do. Until you acknowledge that then you will be going nowhere whatever you choose to do or think in this thread.

[lookout]

 It's been 30 years. Any other man would have boasted about his crime well before now. It's not exactly something you can keep to yourself that you'd " massacred the family",is it ? Not for 30 years,unless you were a raving lunatic,though even they let the cats out of the bag when it suits.

[lookout]

Prisons are more up to date than any electronic system for word getting round quickly. One wrong move and everyone knows in an instant. That if Jeremy had even hinted that he was guilty,it would have by now been worldwide.

[Jane]

I am bringing closure to this thread.

I have supplied twelve sources and can do no more. Apart from find another twelve sources. But then they will be strangely called 'not primary sources'. Or the focus on the word closed/locked will be brought up on one of the sources.

In a population of 7.125 billion there is bound to be people who refuse to bring closure to a straight forward fact in a high profile case.

Bamber could bang the kitchen window from outside. The catch would then fall into place. Locked/shut/closed, you choose.

I don't believe it to be within your remit to bring a thread to a close but your desire to so do suggests an inability to look beyond what you read and make your own argument. You can go on producing "sources" until you're blue in the face, but I doubt even those of us who believe Jeremy to be guilty, would wish to align ourselves to what you say. I feel certain we'd be delighted to DISCUSS with you but your refusal to enter into discussion is in order perhaps, that you can continue preaching at us what OTHERS have said.

 Because it doesn't fit with what YOU purport, you dismiss as being of no moment the VAST difference between locked and closed -ASK ANY INSURANCE COMPANY- and insist "Bamber could bang the kitchen window from outside. The catch would then fall into place." Whilst I'm not saying it CAN'T be done -the lottery CAN be won- I am saying it can't be relied on because if the fixing bar fall in a certain way ie between the stud and the window, there is no second chance.

You'll undoubtedly ridicule this in the same way that you ridicule everything you don't have an intelligent answer for. You accuse me of targeting you. Had you realized that you do it more frequently than I?

[Reader]

The best source is Barlow, who referred to the possibility of the window being closed by banging it. As one doesn't need to bang a window to close it, it's clear that Barlow had securing/locking it in mind and was just being carelessly imprecise in not using a word such as "locked", "fastened" or "secured".

[maggie]

The best source is Barlow, who referred to the possibility of the window being closed by banging it. As one doesn't need to bang a window to close it, it's clear that Barlow had securing/locking it in mind and was just being carelessly imprecise in not using a word such as "locked", "fastened" or "secured".

I agree re. 2002 Court of Appeal.