The lockable from outside window. A time for closure ?

[Jane]

don't flatter yourself - she is just enjoying my firefighting as you love to call it.

That's right. When two people are holding the hose it can take a lot more pressure being put through it. MUCH more effective. :D :D :D

[Adam]

Bamber says you can't turn keys or lock bolts from outside. You don't say.

Funny how Bamber said this before the police mentioned what Julie had said. 'Undetected' does not mean leaving the windows locked.

[Jane]

Lets make it simple again as I think adam is getting confused with window locks .

The windows were mostly sash windows and the sash catches were all across - the other thread shows the latch that was across when the police arrived. Jeremy denied that the sash catches or any latches could be secured in place from the outside. I cant make it any more simple than that.

When the sash catches or latches were secured at night you would have to technically "break in" if they were not secure anyone could open the windows and get in .

I think there's only one way entry and exit could be accomplished but Jeremy would have needed to be very adept with a glass cutter and putty

[Adam]

Lets make it simple again as I think adam is getting confused with window locks .

The windows were mostly sash windows and the sash catches were all across - the other thread shows the latch that was across when the police arrived. Jeremy denied that the sash catches or any latches could be secured in place from the outside. I cant make it any more simple than that.

When the sash catches or latches were secured at night you would have to technically "break in" if they were not secure anyone could open the windows and get in .

Can you not say 'let's make it simple again'.

I am well aware of the situation. And have given you several sources, several times. The latest today, when I gave you eleven. For some reason you seem to be the only one still fighting this issue.

Bamber would not have committed the massacre if he could not make it seem like no one had entered  WHF. It was a big farm house which he knew well. There is nothing strange about being able to bang close/lock a window from outside.

[Adam]

Prosecution opening statement - Wilkes's book. 

Julie Mugford.  

"Killers without conscience' thread. 

Barlow

Ann Eaton.  

2002 appeal. 

Wikipedia. 

Crimes & Criminals - Youtube. 

Inheritance Killers - Youtube. 

Murder UK - Jeremy Bamber. 

'St Tropez and more suspicions'  thread. 

Bamber's interview transcripts. Mentioned by the police.  


Twelve.

[Jan]

Can you not say 'let's make it simple again'.

I am well aware of the situation. And have given you several sources, several times. The latest today, when I gave you eleven. For some reason you seem to be the only one still fighting this issue.

Bamber would not have committed the massacre if he could not make it seem like no one had entered  WHF. It was a big farm house which he knew well. There is nothing strange about being able to bang close/lock a window from outside.

But I don't think he did do it

So you are saying the police were wrong then - the windows were not secured - they just looked as if they were?

Because it is a fact that they never saw the fact that the latch could secure itself on the kitchen window.

[Mr. Gee]

Can you not say 'let's make it simple again'.

I am well aware of the situation. And have given you several sources, several times. The latest today, when I gave you eleven. For some reason you seem to be the only one still fighting this issue.

Bamber would not have committed the massacre if he could not make it seem like no one had entered  WHF. It was a big farm house which he knew well. There is nothing strange about being able to bang close/lock a window from outside.

So let's put all this together shall we? (1) We cannot prove forensically that Bamber was there. (2) We cannot prove how he got to WHF and back. (3) We cannot prove how he got into WHF and out again.
Conclusion: Guilty. 

[Jan]

Prosecution opening statement - Wilkes's book.

Julie Mugford. 

"Killers without conscience' thread.

Barlow

Ann Eaton. 

2002 appeal.

Wikipedia.

Crimes & Criminals - Youtube.

Inheritance Killers - Youtube.

Murder UK - Jeremy Bamber.

'St Tropez and more suspicions'  thread.

Bamber's interview transcripts. Mentioned by the police. 


Twelve.

Adam they are not  all primary sources and Barlow did not say the window was secured from the outside.

Jeremy said they could not be secured from the outside .

Do you have windows on your house ?- go and climb out of one then secure it from the outside.

[Adam]

But I don't think he did do it

So you are saying the police were wrong then - the windows were not secured - they just looked as if they were?

Because it is a fact that they never saw the fact that the latch could secure itself on the kitchen window.

If a window is banged and a catch falls into place. That is a closed window. Easily opened by a pen knife.

A locked window would have some sort of extra lock/s on. I agree Bamber could not 'lock' a window from outside.

[Jane]

But I don't think he did do it

So you are saying the police were wrong then - the windows were not secured - they just looked as if they were?

Because it is a fact that they never saw the fact that the latch could secure itself on the kitchen window.

And with one of those arm type catches the best he could have done waould have been to unhook it before he left so he could get in again but he'd have had to chance to luck that it would have closed in a locking position.

[Jan]

If a window is banged and a catch falls into place. That is a closed window. Easily opened by a pen knife.

A locked window would have some sort of extra lock/s on.

You are getting there . If the latch just fell into place to be a secured window so that burglars could not get in then it would be a very unusual window.

That was never proved in front of the police.

That has always been my point .

When Jeremy went in to get his passport that is why he left a note to BW - because when he went out of the window he could not secure it.

[Adam]

Bamber would be taking a much bigger risk by committing the crime and leaving a window open.

[Adam]

It is on the archives - that is the relevant page to your question . He denied that windows could be locked from the outside. The police said they were all locked/ secured  from the inside.

I could not find it in the archives. Can you post the link please.

[Jan]

Bamber would be taking a much bigger risk by committing the crime and leaving a window open.

Agreed  but if you are right and he was guilty then the biggest risk was telling Julie and leaving the silencer with the blood on it.

My point is that I am afraid that I do not believe the family and Julie on this one - they had to explain how he got out when the police had stated all the windows were secured and EP failed to verify the story . Sloppy.

[Jan]

I could not find it in the archives. Can you post the link please.

No - Its in the archives his September statement.