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Re: Informatives - carried out by a gang of interferring Senior Officers...
« Reply #285 on: December 17, 2014, 10:45:AM »
DCI 'Taff' Jones was one of the senior Officers who  took a close interest  in Sheila's body after she was shot by the rifle from the window. He left the scene before other officers handed the scene over to SOCO at 10 O'clock...
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« Reply #286 on: December 17, 2014, 11:55:AM »
David Shaw, in his unpublished book entitled, 'AN INNOCENT MAN', describes DCI Jones as having a bee in his bonnet abour how thw presence of tqo bullet wounds in her neck being explained away by reference to 'recoil' of the semi-automatic rifle...
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« Reply #287 on: December 17, 2014, 02:55:PM »
Hillsborough was a huge tragedy but officers STILL altered statements to cover their own backs !! So what would they get up to with 5 dead people against 96 ??

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« Reply #288 on: December 17, 2014, 04:18:PM »
Establish arrival and departure times of the following senior and junior officers at the scene:-

(1) - DCI George Harris*
(2) - DCI Terry Gibbons*
(3) - DCI Wright*
(4) - DCI Taff Jones*
(5) - DI Ron Cook
(6) - PI Bob Miller
(7) - PI Ivor Montgomery*
(8) - DS Neil Davidson*
(9) - DC Henderson*
(10) - PC Wright
(11) - DS Stan Jones
(12) - DC Mick Clark
(13)  - PC David Bird
(14) - DC Hammersley
(15) - PS Woodcock*

* denotes officers believed to be present in main bedroom around time rifle was taken from window by DS Woodcock, offerred to body of Sheila, discharged round  under chin of victim...
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« Reply #289 on: December 17, 2014, 06:39:PM »
By the time senior officers had completed the main purpose of carrying out thier training exercise which councided with the handing over of the scene to SOCO at around 10 O'clock, disturbance of the bodies of victims no longer needed to be tampered with any further. In Sheila's case, the rifle which had originally been at the window, was by 10 O'clock present upon her chest and abdomen. The muzzle of the rifle pointing in the general direction of two bullet wounds. By this stage all persons present agreed that the presence of the two neck shots could both be put down to 'RECOIL' of the semi-automatic rifle having gone off a second time, in quick succession...
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« Reply #290 on: December 17, 2014, 07:02:PM »
Despite senior officers setting the scene during an hour or so of training exercises and didturbance of the bodies, in the belief that they could get away with what they had done was only going to be dealt with in a civil matter in the Coroners court at inquest, there were still ballistic issues yet to be resolved which could throw a spanner in the works.  Since, police knew that the rifle brought to the body of Sheila had not fired the original shot, so they had to be cateful not toention anything to the family  Sheila shooting herself twice, because survivingbers of the wider family were known gun dealors and gun enthusiasts...
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Re: Informatives - carried out by a gang of interferring Senior Officers...
« Reply #291 on: December 17, 2014, 07:08:PM »
Despite senior officers setting the scene during an hour or so of training exercises and didturbance of the bodies, in the belief that they could get away with what they had done was only going to be dealt with in a civil matter in the Coroners court at inquest, there were still ballistic issues yet to be resolved which could throw a spanner in the works.  Since, police knew that the rifle brought to the body of Sheila had not fired the original shot, so they had to be careful not to mention anything to the family  Sheila shooting herself twice, because survivingbers of the wider family were known gun dealors and gun enthusiasts...

To get around ballistic problems, senior officers arranged for unofficial test firings of the semi-automatic rifle and control ammunition recovered from the scene, to be used in a substitution process so that police could prove by reference to substituted crime scene ammunution, that only one gun had been used in the shootings, it being the rifle photographed atop Sheila's body by PC David Bird after 10am...
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Re: Informatives - carried out by a gang of interferring Senior Officers...
« Reply #292 on: December 17, 2014, 10:21:PM »
To get around ballistic problems, senior officers arranged for unofficial test firings of the semi-automatic rifle and control ammunition recovered from the scene, to be used in a substitution process so that police could prove by reference to substituted crime scene ammunution, that only one gun had been used in the shootings, it being the rifle photographed atop Sheila's body by PC David Bird after 10am...

These unreported test firings of the semi-automatic rifle, and control ammunition, were performed between the 12th and 19th of September 1985, by A. Taylor and Malcolm Fletcher (confirmation of this can be found in copies of lab' General Examination Records), bearing information pertinent to this matter, dated and signed entries, for 12th, 13th, 18th and 19th September 1985 -
Despite the fact that Malcom Fletcher made a witness statement, and he produced a ballistics report  in which he says that he had no involvement with  either the rifle or crime scene ammunition until the 20th September 1985...
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Re: Informatives - carried out by a gang of interferring Senior Officers...
« Reply #293 on: December 18, 2014, 02:20:AM »
When, what?

When were the two opportunities for disclosure?
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Re: Informatives - carried out by a gang of interferring Senior Officers...
« Reply #294 on: December 18, 2014, 05:52:AM »
When were the two opportunities for disclosure?

Letter and photograph attachment sent by myself to Jeremy at HMP Full Sutton, which ultimately got confiscated by prison discipline and which now remains in Jeremys prison file, and secondly, the handing over of a similar photograph to the CCRC in Birmingham when I was accompanied by an informant,  who originally had possession of such a photograph...
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Re: Informatives - carried out by a gang of interferring Senior Officers...
« Reply #295 on: December 19, 2014, 07:13:AM »
I know that Jeremy was kept waiting on the phone, by the police, for 11 mins.
How so? Pc West's evidence in court specifically contradicts that.

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Re: Informatives - carried out by a gang of interferring Senior Officers...
« Reply #296 on: December 19, 2014, 12:13:PM »
How so? Pc West's evidence in court specifically contradicts that.





I've read so much about that long wait,Reader,so much so that when someone finally answered,Jeremy said,quote," Christ,what kept you ",unquote.

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Re: Informatives - carried out by a gang of interferring Senior Officers...
« Reply #297 on: December 20, 2014, 07:37:AM »
I've not seen that. When asked in court what Jeremy said, Pc West replied that he thought his words were "Christ. You took a long time." When asked how long Jeremy was on hold, Pc West replied "I would say it was about 3 minutes."

When interviewed on 8th September 1985, Jeremy put it this way: "About five minutes it seemed like ages. Times are approximate."

I can't find any justification for saying "I know... 11 minutes."

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Re: Informatives - carried out by a gang of interferring Senior Officers...
« Reply #298 on: December 20, 2014, 09:32:AM »
Letter and photograph attachment sent by myself to Jeremy at HMP Full Sutton, which ultimately got confiscated by prison discipline and which now remains in Jeremys prison file, and secondly, the handing over of a similar photograph to the CCRC in Birmingham when I was accompanied by an informant,  who originally had possession of such a photograph...

Why would it stay on Jeremys file ? I bet it got handed straight to the home office or something similar.

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Re: Informatives - carried out by a gang of interferring Senior Officers...
« Reply #299 on: December 20, 2014, 10:09:AM »
Senior officers were in control of the scene at the scene before SOCO got a look in. Later that evening, senior officers were in control of the debrief held at Witham, where they insisted that everyone present should write thier notes up as though the operation had been one involving 4 murders and a suicide. Photographic evidence taken at the scene before and after SOCO took control of the scene was tampered with, and separated into three basic albums. The defence were only either given or offerred access to only two of these photo' albums, a third album (THE SENIOR INVESTIGATING OFFICERS ALBUM) was kept under lock and key inside ACC Peter Simpsons office safe, it consisted of 581 photographs, 358 more than existed in the so called, "THE MASTER COPY ALBUM) which only had 223 photographs contained in it, and 531 more photographs than existed in "THE COURT ALBUM" which only had 50...

Senior officers were in control of the proposed cover up surrounding the true circumstances of how Sheila was actually shot twice, rank and file officers were told or ordered what to do, what to say, and how to present thier own supposed accounts of the operaration in the investigation...
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