Why is it not fair to point out people have no valid basis for their claims?

[Caroline]

Quit stirring it Mat will you. Can I remind you that you are a member of the red forum. Go over there and say this to the members over there if its something you feel strongly about about.  And bringing up that about Caroline just goes to show me the type of person you are. Feel free to feed the fuel and all that.

You forget how many times I stuck up for you. Just thought I would remind you. 

To be fair, Mat is right for some reason you singled me out when there were other mods on the forum - even though I was the one who acted first. I could only do something about it, when I saw it. I also talked to H behind the scenes and made him realise he's gone too far. You then called me a 'know it all' simply because I argued a point about head injury being associated with violent crime. An attack that came from left field as far as I could see - but no matter. I do like to be right, show me someone who doesn't? 

I have had some pretty rotten attacks on here but no one says anything and I don't bother to complain. Someone even went so far as to contact Jeremy just to tell him I had changed my stance to guilty. How nice of them  . I'm sure they did it with the worst of intentions and that it would impact negatively on me. As it happens, I was quite pleased to hear from him and will be replying soon. Whoever the person was (and I can only guess), I suggest you seek help pretty quickly because you're one sick puppy! 

[guest154]

Someone even went so far as to contact Jeremy just to tell him I had changed my stance to guilty.

Damn. Why would someone bother? 

[Caroline]

Damn. Why would someone bother? 

Because they're NUTS!!

[Alias]

It's not a lie at all, I saw a post where you demanded the mods remove my post.  You whine like a child because you are incapable of winning a debate.

You have no idea what proof and evidence even are. You are so irraitonal you claim that based on the limited knowledge we have of Sheila you can say she had no metnal illness and that she was misdiagnosed.  Your bias is undenaible and your claims of sitting on the fence not the least bit credible.  You are a staunch Jeremy support masquerading as a fence sitter like Graham was doing.

Skip, I have won debates with you, stop being such a baby!

Show me where I have "begged" for posts to be removed. I challenge you.
I haven´t, I know that - you like spreading lies about me. That is one of the reasons I can´t stand you.

What is it to you what I think about a thirty year old case? I have my doubts, deal with it and leave me alone!

[Patti]

And Caroline liked it just as much as I when you announced to the whole forum that you had no confidence in us and we should step down. You must have felt REALLY proud of yourself.There ARE times when it's better to say nothing.

Yes like now April. One never said that to you and I admit saying it to Caroline, because at the time I got some horrible abuse that you thought was a joke. Well I did not think it was a joke. I knew you were all there I looked at the members list to see activity. I got no help from either of you that day. Why I don't know. Oh yes, I do know, its because I am on the wrong side and this is what its all about isn't it April.

This is why you and others have turned your back on me and Maggie. Maggie being ill too, you all ought to be ashamed of yourselves. 

[Alias]

Skippy, an honest question, now we´re at it. Why do you get such massive hissy fits over people thinking Jeremy Bamber might be innocent or that he didn´t have a fair trial? Why is that so important to you that you resort to name calling and making up lies about people?

[Caroline]

Yes like now April. One never said that to you and I admit saying it to Caroline, because at the time I got some horrible abuse that you thought was a joke. Well I did not think it was a joke. I knew you were all there I looked at the members list to see activity. I got no help from either of you that day. Why I don't know. Oh yes, I do know, its because I am on the wrong side and this is what its all about isn't it April.

This is why you and others have turned your back on me and Maggie. Maggie being ill too, you all ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

That isn't true and you know it!

[Caroline]

Yes like now April. One never said that to you and I admit saying it to Caroline, because at the time I got some horrible abuse that you thought was a joke. Well I did not think it was a joke. I knew you were all there I looked at the members list to see activity. I got no help from either of you that day. Why I don't know. Oh yes, I do know, its because I am on the wrong side and this is what its all about isn't it April.

This is why you and others have turned your back on me and Maggie. Maggie being ill too, you all ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

And this is rubbish!

[susan]

Patti now please be fair you thanked Neil for his support for attacking me for supporting Harters in his abuse to you.  This was totally untrue my post to Harters had nothing to do with you and I had not even read his posts to you yet again I was attacked as I have been by Steph Hall because of a dispute I have with Maggie which has nothing to do with you or this forum and it is very wrong of you to make it public.  I admitted I was out of order with you and offered you my sincere apologies which you rejected and implied you wanted nothing more to do with me so let it be.  I will not comment further on this subject as I consider it a private matter which I have discussed with nobody but Maggie appears to have done so. Remember always two sides to every story and you have heard one but will never hear my side..

[Jane]

Yes like now April. One never said that to you and I admit saying it to Caroline, because at the time I got some horrible abuse that you thought was a joke. Well I did not think it was a joke. I knew you were all there I looked at the members list to see activity. I got no help from either of you that day. Why I don't know. Oh yes, I do know, its because I am on the wrong side and this is what its all about isn't it April.

This is why you and others have turned your back on me and Maggie. Maggie being ill too, you all ought to be ashamed of yourselves. 

If you want truths you can have it.

As you didn't specify names it was difficult to know, but as you're now admitting it was Caroline you were speaking of it was a pretty low thin g to do publicly about anyone who has worked as long and hard for the forum as she has.I rather looks as if it was you who chose sides when you made that un called for remark.

I'm not prepared to reveal ANY private conversations I've had, but I WILL say that I -AND Caroline- supported Maggie as much as I was able, through what was a very difficult time for her. We were BADLY let down. Your relationship with Susan isn't something which should be discussed on forum.

I will just add that we both were abused and attacked, Caroline more than I. We didn't complain when  we weren't rescued/suported. It's par for the course when you become a mod.

[Jan]

Just have to lump it I am afraid, Scip. I saw your posts to Lookout - were her posts based on absolutely NOTHING? Yes they were and they OFTEN are. Quite often we're told that we are not allowed to post personal things about members - but what about the disgusting posts members make about people not on the forum?  That seems to be okay. 
Lookout called you fucking nasty today, which I reported but it's been said that post WILL stay.


Although I tihnk you've been too personal at times with Lookout I don't think you were today. You exposed her POSTS. You've also been too personal at times with Alias - but she has been just as bad with you and has even followed you onto other forums to try and prove her point - this is ignored.

I know the mods can't view EVERY posts but syaing this too many times seems an excuse as I remember Patti attacking Caroline for saying she didn't see Hartleys post. 

Before Scipio came on here have you ever seen Alias be rude to anyone at all? If not I think that shows that Scipio knows exactly what buttons to push.

I highlighted a post to him which was very personal - just in case he was still confused about what is considered offensive and what is not. But he just carried on.

I do appreciate what you say about being rude about people involved who are not on the forum though.


 

[Patti]

To be fair, Mat is right for some reason you singled me out when there were other mods on the forum - even though I was the one who acted first. I could only do something about it, when I saw it. I also talked to H behind the scenes and made him realise he's gone too far. You then called me a 'know it all' simply because I argued a point about head injury being associated with violent crime. An attack that came from left field as far as I could see - but no matter. I do like to be right, show me someone who doesn't? 

I have had some pretty rotten attacks on here but no one says anything and I don't bother to complain. Someone even went so far as to contact Jeremy just to tell him I had changed my stance to guilty. How nice of them  . I'm sure they did it with the worst of intentions and that it would impact negatively on me. As it happens, I was quite pleased to hear from him and will be replying soon. Whoever the person was (and I can only guess), I suggest you seek help pretty quickly because you're one sick puppy! 

Caroline I did not single you on purpose. Maybe it was because I felt I needed the right support at the time and you were first on the scene. I could not believe it when you and April thought Hartley was joking with me. I reacted, which to me is a normal thing to do, maybe I over reacted, I guess I did..

Answer me this: Did you and April really step down because of what I said?

I cannot believe that anyone would contact Jeremy to tell them that you had changed stance...Its not a nice thing to do is it, tell tales....

Caroline I have never attacked you personally, your post yes and I have always said to you that you are know it all....

[Caroline]

As you didn't specify names it was difficult to know, but as you're now admitting it was Caroline you were speaking of it was a pretty low thin g to do publicly about anyone who has worked as long and hard for the forum as she has.I rather looks as if it was you who chose sides when you made that un called for remark.

I'm not prepared to reveal ANY private conversations I've had, but I WILL say that I -AND Caroline- supported Maggie as much as I was able, through what was a very difficult time for her. We were BADLY let down. Your relationship with Susan isn't something which should be discussed on forum.

That's what happens when you only know half the story though April, and we're the ones being accused of gossiping over pm's?

[guest154]

Before Scipio came on here have you ever seen Alias be rude to anyone at all? If not I think that shows that Scipio knows exactly what buttons to push.

I highlighted a post to him which was very personal - just in case he was still confused about what is considered offensive and what is not. But he just carried on.

I do appreciate what you say about being rude about people involved who are not on the forum though.

Hi, Jansus.
No, not on the blue forum that I recall, that is a good point. Scip and Alias just don't seem to gel too well. His way of posting can be abrasive and I would fight back against it if it was directed at me. But I see it as a 60% 40% split. I'm happy I am not a mod that has to deal with it because I don't think it's as black and white as some may make out.

[Patti]

Patti now please be fair you thanked Neil for his support for attacking me for supporting Harters in his abuse to you.  This was totally untrue my post to Harters had nothing to do with you and I had not even read his posts to you yet again I was attacked as I have been by Neil and Steph Hall because of a dispute I have with Maggie which has nothing to do with you or this forum and it is very wrong of you to make it public.  I admitted I was out of order with you and offered you my sincere apologies which you rejected and implied you wanted nothing more to do with me so let it be.  I will not comment further on this subject as I consider it a private matter which I have discussed with nobody but Maggie appears to have done so. Remember always two sides to every story and you have heard one but will never hear my side..

And my thank you to Neil had no baring on you said what so ever Susan, you know that I had told you so. You said nothing that offended me, nor did I say anything to offend you. I merely thanked Neil for his support. You did the rest.  Maggie has not discussed anything at all with me Susan.