Jeremy Just An Ordinary Boy

[lookout]

Bloody pathetic,that's all I can say. Their brains must have hurt really hard thinking that one up.

[Caroline]

They found themselves looking for things that weren't there half the time,to try and justify that they " had their man". Nothing worse than desperation !

I think in any case, they have to try and justify and reconcile certain issues and can't always get it right. Sometimes of course they get it completely wrong - sometimes on purpose.

[nugnug]

the other things is both suspects went to boarding school so whats said about 1 can just as easly be said about the other.

[maggie]

I think he probably did Nugs, but not to the extent that it has been reported. It leaves it open to be added to to and twisted to suit. 

I agree any young child would struggle at first but it is the way of the upper classes each generation goes through the initiation as Nevill did himself (I think), he wasnt sent away because he was adopted but because he was their son. Unless he is lying Jeremy has always stated he was confortable with his adoption and June and Nevill were his parents therefore surely he accepted his education and settled into it over time just as many children still do.

[lookout]

I think in any case, they have to try and justify and reconcile certain issues and can't always get it right. Sometimes of course they get it completely wrong - sometimes on purpose.

Ooooooh,they can indeed get it wrong,but still have ways of getting around it. They'll rarely put their hands up in defeat.Just like that case in Spain,where the law/judge knows that the guy still being held in prison is innocent,yet nobody will cough. His lawyer asked for his release but it fell on deaf ears. He's been imprisoned for 11 years up to now.

[Patti]

If he did murder his family, I think it is fair to say that it could certainly be a factor although I can't see it being the sole reason. However, any personality issues he may suffer could be influenced by a feeling of rejection, not just once (adoption) but twice (boarding school at only 8 years of age).

We can only assume Caroline and I think its unfair to assume that those two points you have made could be associated with this crime or any other crime, but I fully understand why a profile on ones life experiences may be regarded as being an influence towards crime in later years.

However, to say this might imply that everyone who has had ups and downs during their life are not likely to commit any crimes at all. Its a difficult to grasp with certainty that those two points you have made contributed to him killing his family.

Criminologists look into the backgrounds of murderers to try to establish the reason behind their motives for killing. Most backgrounds that are discovered are common in the majority of the people that live in this world. They are not killers. Its my belief that it more of a chemical imbalance, but I wont go into that. Fascinating all the same.

I know you are interested in this sort stuff...Its great to discuss it and see what others think about it. 

[Patti]

the other things is both suspects went to boarding school so whats said about 1 can just as easly be said about the other.

Well said Nugs I like your thinking there...

[nugnug]

I agree any young child would struggle at first but it is the way of the upper classes each generation goes through the initiation as Nevill did himself (I think), he wasnt sent away because he was adopted but because he was their son. Unless he is lying Jeremy has always stated he was confortable with his adoption and June and Nevill were his parents therefore surely he accepted his education and settled into it over time just as many children still do.

when they talk  about it. its made to sound a lot worse than it really was. it wasnt becouse nevile dident like his children. it was just what his dad had done with him and what he considered the normal thing to do.

[Caroline]

We can only assume Caroline and I think its unfair to assume that those two points you have made could be associated with this crime or any other crime, but I fully understand why a profile on ones life experiences may be regarded as being an influence towards crime in later years.

However, to say this might imply that everyone who has had ups and downs during their life are not likely to commit any crimes at all. Its a difficult to grasp with certainty that those two points you have made contributed to him killing his family.

Criminologists look into the backgrounds of murderers to try to establish the reason behind their motives for killing. Most backgrounds that are discovered are common in the majority of the people that live in this world. They are not killers. Its my belief that it more of a chemical imbalance, but I wont go into that. Fascinating all the same.

I know you are interested in this sort stuff...Its great to discuss it and see what others think about it. 

It is widely accepted that early trauma is associated with personality disorder and 'abandonment' or feeling of such, is classed as a trauma. Jeremy is also reported to have suffered a head injury (also associated with personality problems) - the injury was enough to prevent him perusing a diving career so must have been pretty serious. I'm really not assuming anything but these are factors that have been an influence in other cases and 'may' have influences in this one.

[Patti]

I agree any young child would struggle at first but it is the way of the upper classes each generation goes through the initiation as Nevill did himself (I think), he wasnt sent away because he was adopted but because he was their son. Unless he is lying Jeremy has always stated he was confortable with his adoption and June and Nevill were his parents therefore surely he accepted his education and settled into it over time just as many children still do.

Maggie I think going to school for the first time can be very traumatic for any child. Its the first time they are away from their parents for a long time. I know I was scared even though I was with children that I knew from my village.  On the other hand one of my cousin's use to scream and had to be dragged to school, to point he used to get under the hedge making it awkward for his mother to grab hold of him. You would hear his cries every morning....but he committed no crime when he got older. He will claim to this day that he hated every single minute of school and yet he is one of the brainiest people I know.

You are right Maggie children get over it. 

[Patti]

It is widely accepted that early trauma is associated with personality disorder and 'abandonment' or feeling of such, is classed as a trauma. Jeremy is also reported to have suffered a head injury (also associated with personality problems) - the injury was enough to prevent him perusing a diving career so must have been pretty serious. I'm really not assuming anything but these are factors that have been an influence in other cases and 'may' have influences in this one.

Of course you are right, but at the end of the day its unfair to assume that this might be the case. No one knows this for certain despite what the books say or the research. Like I say anyone who has suffered trauma are not all linked to crime.  Jeremy showed no signs of mental illness or aggressiveness before he was convicted; arrogance yes. He did not like guns, he would not shoot game.  Most criminologists will say that animal killing is linked, but Jeremy did not do this, or should I say there is no evidence to support it. 

[maggie]

Maggie I think going to school for the first time can be very traumatic for any child. Its the first time they are away from their parents for a long time. I know I was scared even though I was with children that I knew from my village.  On the other hand one of my cousin's use to scream and had to be dragged to school, to point he used to get under the hedge making it awkward for his mother to grab hold of him. You would hear his cries every morning....but he committed no crime when he got older. He will claim to this day that he hated every single minute of school and yet he is one of the brainiest people I know.
You are right Maggie children get over it. 

I know some children struggle and feel abandoned when srnt to boarding school but this is most often children who's parent dont want them home for holidays.
I also understand about attachment problems etc. From adoption, think all children who're adopted suffer to some degree and some suffer very badly. Did Jeremy suffer badly from being adopted or is hevtellingvthe truth when he states not. Ee simply dont know thevanswer to that imo

[maggie]

Of course you are right, but at the end of the day its unfair to assume that this might be the case. No one knows this for certain despite what the books say or the research. Like I say anyone who has suffered trauma are not all linked to crime.  Jeremy showed no signs of mental illness or aggressiveness before he was convicted; arrogance yes. He did not like guns, he would not shoot game.  Most criminologists will say that animal killing is linked, but Jeremy did not do this, or should I say there is no evidence to support it. 

Was/is Jeremy arrogant? Many of those who know him or knew him in the past deny this, can we be sure it's not just another myth?

[Patti]

I know some children struggle and feel abandoned when srnt to boarding school but this is most often children who's parent dont want them home for holidays.
I also understand about attachment problems etc. From adoption, think all children who're adopted suffer to some degree and some suffer very badly. Did Jeremy suffer badly from being adopted or is hevtellingvthe truth when he states not. Ee simply dont know thevanswer to that imo

We don't know really Maggie do we? 

[Patti]

Was/is Jeremy arrogant? Many of those who know him or knew him in the past deny this, can we be sure it's not just another myth?

Maybe arrogant is not correct Maggie maybe cock sure lol Again we rely on what we read and hear. Having not met the man I can't/should not pass judgement.