Jeremy Just An Ordinary Boy

[maggie]

Maybe arrogant is not correct Maggie maybe cock sure lol Again we rely on what we read and hear. Having not met the man I can't/should not pass judgement. 

Would guess he had the confidence and self assurance of a public school education. I imagine he wrapped himself in that both during police questioning and in court. He would very possibly use it as protection ..... stiff upper lip etc. And may be why he didnt show his true feelings til he was taken down and alone in his cell  when he wept heartbrokenly(According to Wilkes) Imo??

[lookout]

I would go along with that Maggie.
As a child,or children,bro. and I weren't allowed to show any emotion in public. If either of us kicked off in a shop,like kids do with boredom,we'd have been " dealt " with. Crying was a no no,and it's surprising what it does do to you should the need arise,such as in some cases it meant crying while explaining something,was telling lies,because one doesn't cry when they're telling the truth,which is quite true in lots of cases,as what is there to cry for ?

[nugnug]

what beats me is if they already have greed as a motive why do they need to come up with another motive which is pretty bloody spurious from what i can see.

[Adam]

Poor Jeremy.

[maggie]

I would go along with that Maggie.
As a child,or children,bro. and I weren't allowed to show any emotion in public. If either of us kicked off in a shop,like kids do with boredom,we'd have been " dealt " with. Crying was a no no,and it's surprising what it does do to you should the need arise,such as in some cases it meant crying while explaining something,was telling lies,because one doesn't cry when they're telling the truth,which is quite true in lots of cases,as what is there to cry for ?

I wouldn't have lasted long lookout, I cry at the drop of a hat as did my mum  bit of a family failing load of cry babies 

[maggie]

Poor Jeremy.

Surely you aren't doubting Wilkes, Adam?

[Caroline]

Of course you are right, but at the end of the day its unfair to assume that this might be the case. No one knows this for certain despite what the books say or the research. Like I say anyone who has suffered trauma are not all linked to crime.  Jeremy showed no signs of mental illness or aggressiveness before he was convicted; arrogance yes. He did not like guns, he would not shoot game.  Most criminologists will say that animal killing is linked, but Jeremy did not do this, or should I say there is no evidence to support it. 

I'm not assuming I'm merely stating my opinion as someone who believes he is guilty that it is a 'possibility' and of course not 'all' individuals who have suffered trauma go on to commit crime but nevertheless, it has been shown to be a 'significant' factor as is head trauma . Criminologists have identified 'animal cruelty' as a factor in the childhood of individuals who later commit serial murder, Jeremy (if guilty) is not a serial killer. In this case, the murders are associated with financial gain not for the enjoyment of killing. A necessary means to an end.

[nugnug]

how bad was this head trauma anyway.

[maggie]

how bad was this head trauma anyway.

Dont think we know nugs, as far as not being allowed to dive it may be that even a minor trauma to your head makes it impossible to get insurance to dive? 

[nugnug]

well he could still hold a driving licence so it couldn't of been that bad

id guess its probably insurance.

[Patti]

I'm not assuming I'm merely stating my opinion as someone who believes he is guilty that it is a 'possibility' and of course not 'all' individuals who have suffered trauma go on to commit crime but nevertheless, it has been shown to be a 'significant' factor as is head trauma . Criminologists have identified 'animal cruelty' as a factor in the childhood of individuals who later commit serial murder, Jeremy (if guilty) is not a serial killer. In this case, the murders are associated with financial gain not for the enjoyment of killing. A necessary means to an end.

I differ I'm afraid. Its not a significant factor at all for more than half the world has dealt with some sort of trauma during their life time. Its only becomes significant to those that have made studies of those who have committed murder and not all murderers have been studied. The results and factors you mention are flawed in many ways. 

I came from a broken home. My mother brought me up with help from my grandparents. I was violently hit over the head which fractured my skull by my step father. In fact I have two fractures. I have suffered poverty along with richness and had many traumas in my life but I am not a killer.  Please don't get me wrong I can agree that certain attributes can lead to many things, but it is not a factor for all who suffer trauma that they turn out to be killers.   

[nugnug]

ive heard of people with head injuries or  brian tumors committing murders but there normally senseless murders.

[maggie]

well he could still hold a driving licence so it couldn't of been that bad

We know June 'dropped him on his head'  it was in a report by Dr Ferguson concerning her but may have been more of a concern to June than an injury to June. Baby's skulls are soft and amazingly resilient ... we just don't know imo

[nugnug]

what i cant really understand is why there looking for another motive isnt greed good enough.

[maggie]

well he could still hold a driving licence so it couldn't of been that bad

id guess its probably insurance.

Probably nugs