What exhibits were destroyed in 1996?

[Caroline]

I'm quite confident that something in Jeremys' favour will show up sooner or later.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>is ducking because of unidentified missiles.

Damn! Missed 

[ngb1066]

Supposedly, perhaps NGB knows more?

I understand that submissions are being prepared.  I do not know when they will be submitted but it has been suggested that it will be before the end of this year.

[ngb1066]

If he does have another shot I can't see the CCRC rushing to deal with it. Could take years for it to be heard.
Is he still in Full Sutton? How long has he been in there?

He is still in Full Sutton.  I think he has been there for at least 15 years, probably longer.

[ngb1066]

They have to use evidence that hasn't been put forward before_ is that correct?

That is correct.

[ngb1066]

So could they present evidence on the pig skin test again if they were finalised?

Yes, and the pathologists' reports.

[ngb1066]

I assume so but not 100% sure. I don't understand how that would end up in his freedom? If the suggestion is that the burn marks were made without a silencer, surely the counter argument would be that he removed it before making the marks?

The suggestion is that not only were the burn marks made without the silencer, but both shots to Sheila.  If that can be established an appeal would succeed.

I understand that there are other grounds which are being prepared in addition to the silencer.   

[Caroline]

The suggestion is that not only were the burn marks made without the silencer, but both shots to Sheila.  If that can be established an appeal would succeed.

I understand that there are other grounds which are being prepared in addition to the silencer.

Ok cheers for that NGB - however, what I don't understand is, even without the silencer, it doesn't mean that Jeremy is innocent - only that the silencer was planted?

[No-Bits]

Ok cheers for that NGB - however, what I don't understand is, even without the silencer, it doesn't mean that Jeremy is innocent - only that the silencer was planted?

The silencer is a large part of the evidence.

How does the rifle burn marks without silencer (if that's what they are), indicate that Sheila was shot without the silencer? 

Surely the burn marks could have been caused after the silencer was removed? Or am I missing something?

[lookout]

The silencer is a large part of the evidence.

How does the rifle burn marks without silencer (if that's what they are), indicate that Sheila was shot without the silencer? 

Surely the burn marks could have been caused after the silencer was removed? Or am I missing something?

Knowing sweet f.a. about guns,I think I'm learned enough to state that hot metal does burn,but far more effectively ( sorry to sound flippant ) WITHOUT an added extension,i.e. the silencer. After having fired a few rounds,I certainly wouldn't like to grasp the end of a rifle.

Marks made with a silencer attached leaves " halos' ",whereas,without,it's a direct burn without the edges.

My theory,for the hundredth time,was that Sheila had tried the silencer downstairs in the kitchen,and found it too cumbersome to use. She wouldn't have been that aware that it wouldn't have made much difference to the sound,though at some stage,she wouldn't possibly have cared either.

[Jan]

The silencer is a large part of the evidence.

How does the rifle burn marks without silencer (if that's what they are), indicate that Sheila was shot without the silencer? 

Surely the burn marks could have been caused after the silencer was removed? Or am I missing something?

If you accept the moderator evidence than that would mean that Sheila was not shot last then? Because why take it off - do the burn marks and then put it back on again.?


thsi is why an appeal is so dificult because just proving the silencer was not on I agree does not prove innocence - but the  case was mainly built on the silencer and the blood test results - so if it was not used then does that mean a re-trial ? when most of the other evidence has been destroyed?

And if it was planted - why was it planted  and by whom?

[ngb1066]

Ok cheers for that NGB - however, what I don't understand is, even without the silencer, it doesn't mean that Jeremy is innocent - only that the silencer was planted?

It does not prove innocence but a central plank of the prosecution case would be removed and the conviction could then not be regarded as safe.

[ngb1066]

The silencer is a large part of the evidence.

How does the rifle burn marks without silencer (if that's what they are), indicate that Sheila was shot without the silencer? 

Surely the burn marks could have been caused after the silencer was removed? Or am I missing something?

True, but taken together with Sheila being shot without the silencer it is very powerful.

[No-Bits]

If you accept the moderator evidence than that would mean that Sheila was not shot last then? Because why take it off - do the burn marks and then put it back on again.?


thsi is why an appeal is so dificult because just proving the silencer was not on I agree does not prove innocence - but the  case was mainly built on the silencer and the blood test results - so if it was not used then does that mean a re-trial ? when most of the other evidence has been destroyed?

And if it was planted - why was it planted  and by whom?

I don't know why the silencer would be taken off, or replaced. But surely it is possible?

You may consider it unlikely, but it is not 'impossible' that the killer carried both the rifle and the silencer downstairs, put the silencer in the cupboard, burnt Nevill and then went back upstairs to place the rifle on Sheila.

[No-Bits]

I don't know why the silencer would be taken off, or replaced. But surely it is possible?

You may consider it unlikely, but it is not 'impossible' that the killer carried both the rifle and the silencer downstairs, put the silencer in the cupboard, burnt Nevill and then went back upstairs to place the rifle on Sheila.

Or the silencer could have been removed (or came off in the fight), burns made to Nevill, silencer replaced, then the killer went back upstairs to murder the twins, an extra shot to June and 2 shots to Sheila. The silencer is then removed and hidden in the cupboard.

It's possible, isn't it? 

[lookout]

Would Jeremy have put a highly suspicious piece of evidence implicating himself,back in a cupboard to be found ?