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Offline Adam

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Re: Gun Residue
« Reply #60 on: September 05, 2014, 07:27:PM »

 

Why did Jeremy tell Julie ?



Jeremy amazingly rang Julie twice before the raid team had entered WHF.

The first time almost certainly before ringing the police. According to Julie to tell her he had 'not slept all night' & 'everything was going well'. The second time to tell her not to go to work & a police car would pick her up. Which was generous of the police as Julie was not a relative. 

Jeremy was in a self satisfied mood when meeting Julie. Not confident enough to say he did the massacre, but boastful enough to say he arranged it and wise enough to give a proxy who would have been no where near WHF. 

There are several reasons why Jeremy told Julie. 

Julie would suspect anyway. Jeremy would tell anyone who would listen how much he hated his family. Julie was the person closest to Jeremy prior to the massacre. So would have been on  the receiving end of Jeremys rants & unfufilled plans to get rid of everyone. 

Julie knew about the caravan break in. Committing a crime against the family, Julie would suspect that Jeremy was also prepared to go one stage further & committ a crime to his family. So even if Jeremy said he had nothing to do with the massacre, Julie would again suspect. 

Jeremy trusted Julie enough to involve her in the caravan break in. So he may have trusted her enough to confess an involvement in the massacre. 

Julie said herself she was under Jeremys spell. Jeremy would have known this & felt Julie would remain under his spell. If they spilt up weeks or months later, there would be no evidence, even if Julie went to the police. 

Jeremy felt Julie would not have the confidence to go through with a confession & trial. She would be scared of getting implicated & they would not believe her anyway. Jeremy had boasted about being 'watertight' & it being an 'open & shut case' with no evidence against him. Julie was only 20 & caught in an unexpected situation. 

Jeremy wanted to boast & prove Julie wrong. Julie had dismissed his 10am 'it's now or never' claim. She had also dismissed his previous plans. When interviewed on television she said 'Jeremy liked to say things to shock people'. 

Jeremy would have been buzzing & hyped up directly after the massacre. He had lost his immediate family, although intentianally.  The closest person to him was now Julie. He had to phone her, even though it was 3.00am.  Just to hear her voice & reaffirm that somebody still loved him. After that 3.00am phone call, what he said & how he said it, Jeremy knew there was no point lying to her after that.  

Jeremy would have enjoyed boasting to Julie. Once things had blown over even more he would have no doubt hinted to other people of his involvement. He may have even enjoyed police suspecting him, believing they would never have enough evidence to charge him or  get a conviction. It has been said Jeremy enjoyed the female attention at the trial. 

Jeremy had repeatedly told Julie of his hatred for his family. He may have thought Julie would understand his reasons. Espesically after some nice, expensive meals. 

There is some debate on whether Jeremy did jilt Julie. However if they did split up & Julie went to police, Jeremy could claim she is doing it as a scorned woman. Which is exactly what happened, although Jeremy has never said a scorned woman is also likely to tell the truth. 

Jeremy had not said to Julie he had committed the massacre. He gave himself a proxy. If the police were informed, the proxy would deny it. And Matthew Macdonald could probably prove he was no where near WHF. If there was no other evidence against Jeremy, - case closed. 
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Re: Gun Residue
« Reply #61 on: September 05, 2014, 07:47:PM »
Adam Jeremy Bamber loved Jeremy Bamber not Julie he was fed up of her outgrown her.  In many ways she was quite a sad case that her mind was completely taken over. 

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Re: Gun Residue
« Reply #62 on: September 05, 2014, 08:07:PM »
It is not conclusive weather Jeremy jilted Julie. This has already been discussed.

However jilted women are just as likely to tell the truth.
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Re: Gun Residue
« Reply #63 on: September 06, 2014, 11:41:AM »




Those dogs are trained as efficiently as cadaver dogs,so the least trace where people might think that gun residue has washed off would be in for a shock.They can detect spores left behind somewhere and will sit by their quarry and wait for orders. Police even manipulate a sniffer dog with a certain order to make it seem like they've detected something-TRUE-if someone is suspected of drug taking or indeed shooting someone,in order to get a foothold on the case.
The car would have been a prime place to have used the dog,so why wasn't that done ??

Has anyone got a source that there were police dogs at WHF on the night ? I have never read this.

Why would dogs be brought to a siege situation ? The raid team had guns and all required equipment.

Dogs or no dogs, Jeremy was not a suspect so the dogs would not go near him.
« Last Edit: September 06, 2014, 11:49:AM by Adam »
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Re: Gun Residue
« Reply #64 on: September 06, 2014, 11:56:AM »
Has anyone got a source that there were police dogs at WHF on the night ? I have never read this.

Why would dogs be brought to a siege situation ? The raid team had guns and all required equipment.

Dogs or no dogs, Jeremy was not a suspect so the dogs would not go near him.





If Jeremy had stunk of gun-powder,the dog would surely have indicated. As it happened,there was nothing on Jeremy that interested the dog.
Why don't you google things to find out what it is you're looking for.It's easy enough to do and saves a lot of disbelief and suspicion.
The dog was used to search the surrounding area in case either Sheila was hiding somewhere,or someone else was.

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Re: Gun Residue
« Reply #65 on: September 06, 2014, 12:05:PM »




If Jeremy had stunk of gun-powder,the dog would surely have indicated. As it happened,there was nothing on Jeremy that interested the dog.
Why don't you google things to find out what it is you're looking for.It's easy enough to do and saves a lot of disbelief and suspicion.
The dog was used to search the surrounding area in case either Sheila was hiding somewhere,or someone else was.

Have you got a source saying a dog was present ?

There is no mention of a dog being present. Jones & Miller did not bring dogs. The raid team did not bring a dog.
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Re: Gun Residue
« Reply #66 on: September 06, 2014, 12:49:PM »
Have you got a source saying a dog was present ?

There is no mention of a dog being present. Jones & Miller did not bring dogs. The raid team did not bring a dog.




I've told you,google it ! Besides it having been mentioned in Scott Lomax's book !
I didn't say it was the raid team who brought the dog.I think it was either Jeapes,or her husband who did. You know--------the officer who'd sighted the rifle in the window ?

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Re: Gun Residue
« Reply #67 on: September 06, 2014, 12:51:PM »



I've told you,google it ! Besides it having been mentioned in Scott Lomax's book !
I didn't say it was the raid team who brought the dog.I think it was either Jeapes,or her husband who did. You know--------the officer who'd sighted the rifle in the window ?

I have googled it. It has never mentioned a dog.

A dog would not go near Jeremy as he was not a suspect.
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Re: Gun Residue
« Reply #68 on: September 06, 2014, 12:53:PM »
Adam how would the dog know who was a suspect  :'(

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Re: Gun Residue
« Reply #69 on: September 06, 2014, 01:00:PM »
Adam how would the dog know who was a suspect  :'(

The police would direct the dog to do certain things. Not sure what the dogs role would be in this sort of situation.
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Re: Gun Residue
« Reply #70 on: September 06, 2014, 01:01:PM »
If Jeremy had stunk of gun-powder,the dog would surely have indicated. As it happened,there was nothing on Jeremy that interested the dog.
Why don't you google things to find out what it is you're looking for.It's easy enough to do and saves a lot of disbelief and suspicion.
The dog was used to search the surrounding area in case either Sheila was hiding somewhere,or someone else was.

The dog was an attack dog not a sniffer dog.  Why would they bring  a sniffer dog to a purported standoff with a gunman?  A sniffer dog is to screen people.

They never subjected Jeremy to any dog screening or screening of any other kind on the day of the murders.  Police did not inspect his body or clothing. 

Aside from being wrong about the dog being  asniffer dog, you are wrong that a dog would just go alert on its own.  A dog only searches and alerts after it is given the order to conduct a search.

If they had decided to subject Jeremy to a sniffer dog it would not have mattered because he washed up and changed his clothes.  But had they been suspicious like that they would have asked if he would let them test his hands and clothing for GSR not bothered to have a sniffer dog sent.

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Re: Gun Residue
« Reply #71 on: September 06, 2014, 01:06:PM »
The police would direct the dog to do certain things. Not sure what the dogs role would be in this sort of situation.



In a posible hostage situation, a dog's life is more expendable than a humans.

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Re: Gun Residue
« Reply #72 on: September 06, 2014, 01:07:PM »
It was PC Mercer who was the dog handler. The Alsation was trained in explosives,etc,it went up to Jeremy and walked away-----------------which is odd after Jeremy allegedly fired 25 rounds only hours before.

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Re: Gun Residue
« Reply #73 on: September 06, 2014, 01:12:PM »
Why would he be?

He wasn't subjected to any dog search this is just another bogus claim from some Jeremy defenders.

Here is Mercer's statement:

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5036.msg215596.html#msg215596

Far from being a sniffer dog Zeus was a standard attack K9 dog. He was summoned to the scene in case they needed him to go inside to bring the gunman down so that police can then safely swoop in without being in danger.

Jeremy changed his clothes and washed up before he called police so there is no reason a sniffer dog would be able to detect anything anyway or that they would have found anything on his hands or clothes had he agreed to be tested for GSR.

It is another desperation ploy from Team Jeremy merely.
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Re: Gun Residue
« Reply #74 on: September 06, 2014, 01:30:PM »
How did the police know that there were guns at WHF before Jeremy had told them ?