Gun Residue

[Jane]

I think the call was in part to gloat about his misdeeds.  He told her he was going to do it and then called to say it was done.  But he also wanted to use the call to support his alibi so it had multiple purposes.

Both calls very well could mean that Julie was more involved in things than she indicated.  She even could have been supportive of the murders because she thought it would result in marriage.  People always minimize their own involvement when spilling about misdeeds.  Only Jeremy could expose her if there were more.  But that would require him to admit his own guilt and we would have to wonder how much of his story were true.   

If she truly told him not to talk to her about killing them anymore then it makes little sense to keep telling her about it.  There are people who you tell to shut up who don't and keep tlaking about something you don't want to hear but the normal thing to do anytime they do such is to remind them you don't want to hear about it. So in that sense one has to strongly wonder if she truly was as strong as she claimed about telling him she didn't want to hear about it.  I am a cynic and naturally think that she was more supportive of his suggestions than she let on because she would have every reaosn not to admit she was supportive of it.

Sure she came clean about the robbery, the drugs and the bank fraud but that is different than admitting she was supportive of his murder plans which at best would make her look horrible to the World and at worst could result in her being charged with conspiracy to commit murder.   There is a much stronger motvation to hide this than her petty crimes.

As you say, so much better to have the World see one as a conniving little thief, even a slut, than have the World believe one colluded in a plan to murder three generations of an entire family.

[Jane]

The fact is if Jeremy was guilty everything was going very well

The family was all dead

What exactly does 'something wrong at the farm' mean if the plan was successful

In your wildest dreams could you believe that Julie would have gone back to sleep when she 'knew' what Jeremy plan

It's ridiculous

It's as ridiculous as offering to go and see 2 children with bullet holes in them when you knew it was your boyfriends work

It's even more ridiculous that JM knew all of this but no one was suspicious of her behaviour

It's even more ridiculous to think she would have dinner with Colin if she knew her boyfriend was responsible for killing his two babies

I think we need to look at how desperate -NO, determined- was Julie to be Mrs Bamber.

I think "something is wrong at the farm" is self explanatory. He may even have been telling her something she'd been longing to hear.

I feel very certain that MOST of us wouldn't care to sleep with a boyfriend who'd committed murder but we're only talking about Julie here. She may have convinced herself that he'd done it to leave the road clear to marrying her.

It's possible that by offering to identify the boys she was, at some level, assuring herself that it was real.

Personally, I found her behaviour VERY suspicious. I wasn't the only one by a long chalk.

I thin k she would have had dinner with Colin to help bolster the idea that Jeremy was innocent. I'm not saying there weren't moments of trepidation but she had the prize in her sights.

[JackiePreece]

April

You keep copying what Caroline says if it makes you happy

Out of interest in Mugford statements

She keeps mentioning she felt guilty

When do you think that was

When Jeremy first told her everything was going well
Or
When he said he should have been an actor
Or
When she hopped into bed with him
Or
When she had dinner with Colin
Or
when she pestered Jeremy to pay for her to go on holiday
Or
When she went to the mortuary
Or
When she was at the funeral
Or
When she signed the newspaper deal
Or
Maybe when she got her kit off for the papers
Or
When she got her £25,000 cheque

When do you think she felt guilty April?

You say what she says has a ring of truth so point it out to me when she felt guilty

It's in her statements

[JackiePreece]

I think we need to look at how desperate -NO, determined- was Julie to be Mrs Bamber.

I think "something is wrong at the farm" is self explanatory. He may even have been telling her something she'd been longing to hear.

I feel very certain that MOST of us wouldn't care to sleep with a boyfriend who'd committed murder but we're only talking about Julie here. She may have convinced herself that he'd done it to leave the road clear to marrying her.

It's possible that by offering to identify the boys she was, at some level, assuring herself that it was real.

Personally, I found her behaviour VERY suspicious. I wasn't the only one by a long chalk.

I thin k she would have had dinner with Colin to help bolster the idea that Jeremy was innocent. I'm not saying there weren't moments of trepidation but she had the prize in her sights.

Well April I am glad I am not your friend if that's the theories you come out with because I am of the opinion she's not all bad just very very jealous and everything got out of hand and she started a chain of events that ran out of control

I don't actually believe she was that evil

[Jane]

April

You keep copying what Caroline says if it makes you happy

Out of interest in Mugford statements

She keeps mentioning she felt guilty

When do you think that was

When Jeremy first told her everything was going well
Or
When he said he should have been an actor
Or
When she hopped into bed with him
Or
When she had dinner with Colin
Or
when she pestered Jeremy to pay for her to go on holiday
Or
When she went to the mortuary
Or
When she was at the funeral
Or
When she signed the newspaper deal
Or
Maybe when she got her kit off for the papers
Or
When she got her £25,000 cheque

When do you think she felt guilty April?

You say what she says has a ring of truth so point it out to me when she felt guilty

It's in her statements

Jackie, I can't think of many situations in which most of us don't feel a gamut of differing emotions. I feel quite certain that guilt, at some point, would have formed part of what Julie felt. It MAY have been dispelled when she recalled how humiliated she felt when June called her a harlot. She MAY have thought with Jeremy's ring on her finger that it would go away.

[Jane]

Well April I am glad I am not your friend if that's the theories you come out with because I am of the opinion she's not all bad just very very jealous and everything got out of hand and she started a chain of events that ran out of control

I don't actually believe she was that evil

Jackie, like MOST of us, she's not all bad -she appears to have led an exemplary life in Canada- but if you're saying that she let a story run away with her and got her boyfriend jailed for life out of jealousy, I think you'd be safer having me as a friend, than her.

[JackiePreece]

April not in a million years
If you come out with stuff like that I will just ignore your posts

I have posted facts
Julie said she was guilty right through her statements
Funnily enough when she split with Jeremy hey presto she felt even guiltier especially when her best friend said she was sleeping with Jeremy

Love turned to hate very quickly
Like she stated
Fact
She wanted him dead
Next best thing a full life tariff
Job done for Julie

[Adam]

April not in a million years
If you come out with stuff like that I will just ignore your posts

I have posted facts
Julie said she was guilty right through her statements
Funnily enough when she split with Jeremy hey presto she felt even guiltier especially when her best friend said she was sleeping with Jeremy

Love turned to hate very quickly
Like she stated
Fact
She wanted him dead
Next best thing a full life tariff
Job done for Julie

Do you think Julie lied because Jeremy apparently jilted her ?

This is what Jeremy said in court.

[susan]

Adam Julie stretched the truth with a little help from EP.   I think most of what she said were words she had put in her mouth by others she saw it as a way out from prosecution for her own crimes and also big fat cheque for £25.000. Think she ended up thinking he was guilty but not to start with. He only phoned her for an alibi that he was at home at that time.

[JackiePreece]

Yes I do as she said in her own words she was besotted with him and wanted him dead

There is not a single thing in her statement that can be proved
Nothing
The bullet wounds
The hit man
Jeremy didn't get on with his family (see BW statement)

[JackiePreece]

Adam Julie stretched the truth with a little help from EP.   I think most of what she said were words she had put in her mouth by others she saw it as a way out from prosecution for her own crimes and also big fat cheque for £25.000. Think she ended up thinking he was guilty but not to start with. He only phoned her for an alibi that he was at home at that time.

In your opinion !!!!

[Adam]

Adam Julie stretched the truth with a little help from EP.   I think most of what she said were words she had put in her mouth by others she saw it as a way out from prosecution for her own crimes and also big fat cheque for £25.000. Think she ended up thinking he was guilty but not to start with. He only phoned her for an alibi that he was at home at that time.

That is totally wrong.

The police knew nothing about the caravan break in or Susan Battersby's 1984 cheque book fraud when Julie approached the police.

She also had no idea she would be offered 25k. Providing Jeremy got convicted.

[susan]

Adam don't believe everything you read and I aint wrong

[Adam]

Adam don't believe everything you read and I aint wrong

Julie told the police about the caravan break in.

The police found out about the cheque book fraud after Julie had completed her WS. These things are in witness statements.

There is no evidence that Julie was a drug dealer.

[susan]

Adam  I never said Julie was a drug dealer just meddled a little in them. Adam are you telling me you believe Jeremy Bamber would confide in his girl friend (who he was tiring of anyway) about the fact he was going to murder his entire family two of them being little boys.  People can say words and at any given time they can be interpreted with a different meaning it really amounts to what fits at the time he may have said things to her over time but he never confessed to her what he had done she would have run for her life in case she was next on the list.  This is as I see it you are entitled to have a different view none of us really know we are all assuming .