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Re: Gun Residue
« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2014, 01:13:AM »
Why even bother?  Jeremy was never subjected to a search by the dog let alone is there any evidence l the dog was trained to detect GSR.

But the answer to your question is that if someone washes all GSR off their body and is searched by a dog trained to detect GSR the dog is not going to alert.

The same way a drug dealer who washes all traces of drugs off their body and clothing will not result in a drug dog alerting.
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Re: Gun Residue
« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2014, 01:18:AM »
Pc Mercer took his dog Zeus to WHF . . . Mr Bamber said, "That's a nice looking dog."  We talked on the subject of dogs and Mr Bamber said how he would like a German Shepherd.

Yes and Zeus was an attack dog.  His role if necessary woudl have been to go in the house first to try to bring the gunman down so that the police could then safely enter without fear of being shot.  While that is rather cold to make a dog get shot he did have a body armor vest which protects the main body cavity to an extent.

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Re: Gun Residue
« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2014, 09:54:AM »
Why even bother?  Jeremy was never subjected to a search by the dog let alone is there any evidence l the dog was trained to detect GSR.

But the answer to your question is that if someone washes all GSR off their body and is searched by a dog trained to detect GSR the dog is not going to alert.

The same way a drug dealer who washes all traces of drugs off their body and clothing will not result in a drug dog alerting.





Those dogs are trained as efficiently as cadaver dogs,so the least trace where people might think that gun residue has washed off would be in for a shock.They can detect spores left behind somewhere and will sit by their quarry and wait for orders. Police even manipulate a sniffer dog with a certain order to make it seem like they've detected something-TRUE-if someone is suspected of drug taking or indeed shooting someone,in order to get a foothold on the case.
The car would have been a prime place to have used the dog,so why wasn't that done ??

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Re: Gun Residue
« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2014, 10:04:AM »
Why even bother?  Jeremy was never subjected to a search by the dog let alone is there any evidence l the dog was trained to detect GSR.

But the answer to your question is that if someone washes all GSR off their body and is searched by a dog trained to detect GSR the dog is not going to alert.

The same way a drug dealer who washes all traces of drugs off their body and clothing will not result in a drug dog alerting.





A dog who's trained in looking for drugs could smell right through someone who'd showered in bleach-----FACT.
 You don't know much,do you ? I suggest you read up about sniffer dogs and their ability to catch criminals.

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« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2014, 10:19:AM »




A dog who's trained in looking for drugs could smell right through someone who'd showered in bleach-----FACT.
 You don't know much,do you ? I suggest you read up about sniffer dogs and their ability to catch criminals.

It was an attack dog, it wasn't trained to sniff or identify anything.

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Re: Gun Residue
« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2014, 10:26:AM »




A dog who's trained in looking for drugs could smell right through someone who'd showered in bleach-----FACT.
 You don't know much,do you ? I suggest you read up about sniffer dogs and their ability to catch criminals.

It wasn't a sniffer dog, why would they send a sniffer dog to a siege situation?
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« Reply #21 on: September 04, 2014, 10:27:AM »
It was an attack dog, it wasn't trained to sniff or identify anything.

Except maybe a big juicy bone.  :D

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« Reply #22 on: September 04, 2014, 10:29:AM »
It wasn't a sniffer dog, why would they send a sniffer dog to a siege situation?

Just another myth, another lie, surely people are getting fed up with being misled by now. Lookout?  ???

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Re: Gun Residue
« Reply #23 on: September 04, 2014, 12:36:PM »
It was an attack dog, it wasn't trained to sniff or identify anything.





I'd read it was trained to sniff out gunpowder,Harters.

This is the damn trouble with this case-------far too many misrepresentations.It's not good at all.

I've just read about how the extended family testified in court that June would never either use foster parents,nor even mention them ? So is this true,or isn't it ? It does really tend to leave you wondering.

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Re: Gun Residue
« Reply #24 on: September 04, 2014, 12:43:PM »
Just another myth, another lie, surely people are getting fed up with being misled by now. Lookout?  ???






Harters,I'm NOT lying,,but sure as Hell EVERY link/information from wherever is ! Talk about the case being muliti-faceted.

When I post something,it's more often than not a quote from off the internet somewhere,and NOT what I've just cobbled up.

I'd still have got exactly the same reactions to MY posts if I'd said Jeremy had been guilty !! That's the way I see myself------------a target for bullies !


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« Reply #25 on: September 04, 2014, 12:46:PM »
Harters,I'm NOT lying,,but sure as Hell EVERY link/information from wherever is ! Talk about the case being muliti-faceted.

When I post something,it's more often than not a quote from off the internet somewhere,and NOT what I've just cobbled up.

I'd still have got exactly the same reactions to MY posts if I'd said Jeremy had been guilty !! That's the way I see myself------------a target for bullies !

You misunderstand.

I was asking if you were getting fed up with being constantly lied to yet?

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Re: Gun Residue
« Reply #26 on: September 04, 2014, 12:52:PM »
By EVERYONE--------------YES ! I have my own thoughts on the subject but the last place I'd be expressing them would be here. I just make up the numbers,if you like. ;D

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Re: Gun Residue
« Reply #27 on: September 04, 2014, 12:57:PM »
Just another myth, another lie, surely people are getting fed up with being misled by now. Lookout?  ???

There are myths and lies on both sides. I welcome an overhaul to get rid of them all.
Those myths are repeated over and over until they are accepted as fact, thus rendering the overall picture of the case misty.
The right thing for everyone to do is to read all possible documents on the case, books excluded. I have to admit that it can be hard for me - especially the hand written ones. They are in English and sometimes hard to impossible to dechipher. I think it is easier to "guess" words if English is your first language.
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Re: Gun Residue
« Reply #28 on: September 04, 2014, 01:05:PM »
Lookout hello, I read that too and of course believed it I remember Adam making a joke about the dog being more interested in the farm yard smells than Jeremy Bamber but now I am very selective in what I believe.

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Re: Gun Residue
« Reply #29 on: September 04, 2014, 01:24:PM »
There are myths and lies on both sides. I welcome an overhaul to get rid of them all.
Those myths are repeated over and over until they are accepted as fact, thus rendering the overall picture of the case misty.
The right thing for everyone to do is to read all possible documents on the case, books excluded. I have to admit that it can be hard for me - especially the hand written ones. They are in English and sometimes hard to impossible to dechipher. I think it is easier to "guess" words if English is your first language.



Alias, it often seems to me that there is as much that is UNknown about this case, as there is that is indisputably KNOWN. We have no clear cut proof of what went on inside WHF, either in action, conversation or timings so it's only natural that we'll make up stories to fit with what we believe. Those stories, which are in fact, MYTHS, take on lives of their own and become accepted as FACTS.

I would like nothing more than to see ALL myth removed but you can rest assured that facts which don't meet with the approval of either side are likely to be labeled myths. In fact, WHATever is said by WHOMever in their witness statements, is very likely to be refuted by someone else.........................and that's BEFORE it reaches the forum where we've probably ALL been guilty of a little "bending and stretching" at some point, without necessarily knowing it.