Staging Suicide

[Alias]

This could have been discussed here at some point, but I haven´t seen it.
My question is this, when Jeremy had to use two shots to kill Sheila, why did he stage her death as a suicide? It could have been his plan originally, but why didn´t he abandon that plan when he had shot her twice? What killer would shoot their victim more than once, then expect that, yeah, I´ll make it look like she killed herself!
Why stage the Bible, why hide the silencer, why fake the phonecall from Nevill, thereby narrowing the possible culprits down to Sheila and himself? Why not keep it open to more than those two by NOT staging a suicide?
All this comes across as impossibly stupid!

[guest154]

I don't see what other choice he had. What else could he do at that point? Hope the police believed someone would randomly slaughter a house full of people? He'd be a suspect - everyone would be - by faking the phone call - the bible - he was sure that Sheila would still get the blame.

Two shots isn't ideal but it's the hand he was dealt when she didn't die from the first.

[Adam]

Jeremy was quite stupid.

But is a charmer. As the psychiatrist in the video said, he believes he can use 'force of personality' to win his freedom.

[Adam]

You are right. All of these things have been discussed before. I will locate the threads.

[Caroline]

You are right. All of these things have been discussed before. I will locate the threads.

Don't bother Adam, this is Alias's thread, yours is elsewhere and has already been discussed and no doubt re-posted often! (Too often!).

[maggie]

This could have been discussed here at some point, but I haven´t seen it.
My question is this, when Jeremy had to use two shots to kill Sheila, why did he stage her death as a suicide? It could have been his plan originally, but why didn´t he abandon that plan when he had shot her twice? What killer would shoot their victim more than once, then expect that, yeah, I´ll make it look like she killed herself!
Why stage the Bible, why hide the silencer, why fake the phonecall from Nevill, thereby narrowing the possible culprits down to Sheila and himself? Why not keep it open to more than those two by NOT staging a suicide?
All this comes across as impossibly stupid!

It does Alias.  I find it so difficult to believe that anyone who could be so coldly cruel, callous  and scheming, could also be so unbelievably stupid, I find it very difficult to believe JB is that stupid because he has been clever enough to keep himself in the public consciousness for almost 30 years and to dupe the likes of Eric Allison,Scott Lomax, Simon McKay and others.
The only way it may have happened is if JB was the master mind and someone else of lower intelligence actually carried out the crime for him who was careless, hiding the moderator and messing up the shooting of Sheila thinking chucking a bible down next to her and laying a rifle on her chest would fool people.........  that sounds ludicrous though because who would do such a thing for as little as £2000??, even an fool would want more than that to kill 5 people.... surely?

[Adam]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5728.0.html

Jeremy over estimated the bullet power. The first bullet did not kill Sheila. Which is why she had two bullets.

[Adam]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5723.0.html

Jeremy had a plan. The kitchen fight changed things slightly.

[Adam]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5405.0.html

Jeremy's best option was to create the siege situation. It worked.

[Adam]

Not staging suicide. Who an earth is going to massacre a whole family. A small time burglar ?

[Alias]

Jeremy must have known about Sheila´s drug habits. Some dodgy characters in her life. She had an ex husband. Nevill had some disputes. He was a magistrate - there might have been people who had problems with his sentences.
There are lots of possibilities. Jeremy could have hinted at any of those - just as people claim that he hinted at things to make it look like Sheila did it.

How could he come across as somewhat calm and collected when he knew he had shot her twice? Most people would have been sweating bullets.
Just hard for me to see Jeremy as being so stupid that he thought he would get away with staging a suicide with two shots.

[Adam]

Wilkes's book suggests the silencer really was virtually hidden.

There is a whole long paragraph of how many  boxes, rifles & cartridges were on top and in front of it. Even a dart board was in front of it.

I am not surprised the police never bothered with it. It was found by David Boutflour inside the left hand corner of box inside a box. 

 

[Alias]

Wilkes's book suggests the silencer really was virtually hidden.

There is a whole long paragraph of how many  boxes, rifles & cartridges were on top and in front of it. Even a dart board was in front of it.

I am not surprised the police never bothered with it. It was found by David Boutflour inside the left hand corner of box inside a box.

Are you trying to divert this thread?

[maggie]

Jeremy must have known about Sheila´s drug habits. Some dodgy characters in her life. She had an ex husband. Nevill had some disputes. He was a magistrate - there might have been people who had problems with his sentences.
There are lots of possibilities. Jeremy could have hinted at any of those - just as people claim that he hinted at things to make it look like Sheila did it.

How could he come across as somewhat calm and collected when he knew he had shot her twice? Most people would have been sweating bullets.
Just hard for me to see Jeremy as being so stupid that he thought he would get away with staging a suicide with two shots.

I can see why there would have had to have been two shots if he did it but cannot believe the shoddy pathetic staging of the suicide.  Surely sometime during the year of planning he would have experimented where the rifle would land if you shoot yourself.  He would NEVER have just plonked the gun on her body the way it was found and thought ... 'that'll do!' ... surely??

[Adam]

Jeremy must have known about Sheila´s drug habits. Some dodgy characters in her life. She had an ex husband. Nevill had some disputes. He was a magistrate - there might have been people who had problems with his sentences.
There are lots of possibilities. Jeremy could have hinted at any of those - just as people claim that he hinted at things to make it look like Sheila did it.

How could he come across as somewhat calm and collected when he knew he had shot her twice? Most people would have been sweating bullets.
Just hard for me to see Jeremy as being so stupid that he thought he would get away with staging a suicide with two shots.

Well a few suicides have involved two shots.

A girlfriend said to me that a woman would not commit suicide by shooting themselves in the head. It's a woman thing. Apparently.