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Did Jeremy believe he would not have to re load ?
« on: August 23, 2014, 05:24:AM »
One bullet for Sheila certainly. He must have cringed when he realised another bullet was needed.

One bullet would leave 9/10 bullets left. Did Jeremy think that was enough ? If he did he over estimated the rifle power. Neville got downstairs after receiving four shots, including head shots,  and June got out of bed after a head shot while  her head was on the pillow.

It may have been possible to kill the twins with one shot each. But if they were shot last, Jeremy would have already fired lots of bullets. So would have no choice but to fire lots of bullets into the twins, to make it look like a crazy killing.

Jeremy having to re load turned out to be a big problem. AE immediately got suspicious. Only believing Sheila had fired 11 bullets because that is what she had been told. When she found out Sheila had re loaded twice she knew she was not guilty.   

If if was an 'open & shut' case as Jeremy told Julie it was, the re loads were not a problem. However it soon came to light that there was no evidence on Sheila showing that she had reloaded. Jeremy also eventually back tracked and admitted Sheila had no experience with guns.

Do people believe Jeremy's plan was not to re load, but failed in this plan ? Or believe he did not care or consider whether he would have to re load ? 
« Last Edit: August 23, 2014, 07:05:AM by Adam »
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Re: Did Jeremy believe he would not have to re load ?
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2014, 09:48:AM »
In 1985 there was no internet. So unless Jeremy actually read books or asked experts, he would not not know that Sheila would have left forensic evidence after re loading. Just as he would not be aware of blood back splatter.

If he did know about these things he would have dumped the silencer and made sure the correct evidence was on Sheila.

Or may have known about this but assumed the police would not check. But that is shoddy work for someone who had been planning the massacre for so long.
« Last Edit: August 23, 2014, 10:12:AM by Adam »
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Re: Did Jeremy believe he would not have to re load ?
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2014, 10:15:AM »
If Jeremy was 'not' expecting to have to re load, he would not be aware that evidence would exist on Sheila that she had re loaded.
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Re: Did Jeremy believe he would not have to re load ?
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2014, 02:20:PM »
Would a crazy Sheila in a psychotic rage really re load ?

After firing off all the bullets in the rifle, and then brutally beating Neville, perhaps she had let off enough steam ?

But no, she calmed down enough to re load and fire more bullets into her family.

Oh I forgot, she wanted to kill herself.

Note to myself - Do not offer free summer holiday to relations.
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Re: Did Jeremy believe he would not have to re load ?
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2014, 02:26:PM »
Would a crazy Sheila in a psychotic rage really re load ?

After firing off all the bullets in the rifle, and then brutally beating Neville, perhaps she had let off enough steam ?

But no, she calmed down enough to re load and fire more bullets into her family.

Oh I forgot, she wanted to kill herself.

Note to myself - Do not offer free summer holiday to relations.

Yes, that is somewhat unbelievable.

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Re: Did Jeremy believe he would not have to re load ?
« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2014, 02:47:PM »
Adam wont waste my time asking you if I can come to stay then :'(

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Re: Did Jeremy believe he would not have to re load ?
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2014, 03:14:PM »
Adam wont waste my time asking you if I can come to stay then :'(

Of course you can stay. I will cook you a meal.
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Re: Did Jeremy believe he would not have to re load ?
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2014, 03:30:PM »
 Adam yummy yummy  ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Did Jeremy believe he would not have to re load ?
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2014, 03:37:PM »
Adam yummy yummy  ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Did Jeremy believe he would not have to re load ?
« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2014, 03:45:PM »
One bullet for Sheila certainly. He must have cringed when he realised another bullet was needed.

One bullet would leave 9/10 bullets left. Did Jeremy think that was enough ? If he did he over estimated the rifle power. Neville got downstairs after receiving four shots, including head shots,  and June got out of bed after a head shot while  her head was on the pillow.

It may have been possible to kill the twins with one shot each. But if they were shot last, Jeremy would have already fired lots of bullets. So would have no choice but to fire lots of bullets into the twins, to make it look like a crazy killing.

Jeremy having to re load turned out to be a big problem. AE immediately got suspicious. Only believing Sheila had fired 11 bullets because that is what she had been told. When she found out Sheila had re loaded twice she knew she was not guilty.   

If if was an 'open & shut' case as Jeremy told Julie it was, the re loads were not a problem. However it soon came to light that there was no evidence on Sheila showing that she had reloaded. Jeremy also eventually back tracked and admitted Sheila had no experience with guns.

Do people believe Jeremy's plan was not to re load, but failed in this plan ? Or believe he did not care or consider whether he would have to re load ?

10-11 shots would have been sufficient to kill 5 people provided they were fired in the right locations. His parents woke up, they moved and he freaked out and didn't aim that great and thus Nevill was still alive by the time he emptied the weapon. 

Jeremy saw nothing wrong with her reloading the weapon because he pretended he left the bullets to do so in the kitchen for her to use.  He staged too many bullets though, more incredulous is that she would use 20 bullets from the supply in th ekitchen but go to the closet to get the last 5 bullets though 30 stil remained in the kitchen.  Equally incredulous is that she would get the moderator from the closet and use it then put it away before killing herself. That is the defense's claim anyway, the prosecution says it was used to kill Sheila as well.  He didn't plan anyone would be able to figure out it was used at all and at first it wasn't.

 
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Re: Did Jeremy believe he would not have to re load ?
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2014, 04:01:PM »
Scipio if his cooking is as good as all the work he puts into his posts it will be yummy and he did promise earlier to wear a bow tie only which will be worth the visit ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Did Jeremy believe he would not have to re load ?
« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2014, 04:18:PM »
Scipio if his cooking is as good as all the work he puts into his posts it will be yummy and he did promise earlier to wear a bow tie only which will be worth the visit ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D



Susan, please remember what Hannibel Lecter did to his dinner guests.

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Re: Did Jeremy believe he would not have to re load ?
« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2014, 04:27:PM »
Hello april

do you think I should cancel you are not jealous are you ;D I am sure if you are nice to him you could come along ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Did Jeremy believe he would not have to re load ?
« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2014, 04:40:PM »
Hello april

do you think I should cancel you are not jealous are you ;D I am sure if you are nice to him you could come along ;D ;D ;D



Susan, you're the only one who can make that decision. He could be the love of your life. Definitely NOT my type so I won't spoil it for you by playing gooseberry but thank-you for the kind thought.

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Re: Did Jeremy believe he would not have to re load ?
« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2014, 04:41:PM »
Hello april

do you think I should cancel you are not jealous are you ;D I am sure if you are nice to him you could come along ;D ;D ;D

You could all sit there passing the sauce. Sauce please! Finally it would make sense!