Jeremy's pre kitchen fight plan ?

[Adam]

Neville getting downstairs and a brutal kitchen fight was certainly not part of the plan.

Jeremy had entered the main bedroom fully loaded and intended to keep June & Neville there. Highlighted by the 11 bullets fired.

If Neville & June had both died in or near the bed, what was the next stage in the plan ?

Previous threads had shown that Jeremy's best option was to create the siege situation and invent the phone call. Being first on the scene in the morning still rounds the suspects down to two.

My view is the bedroom phone was in the bedroom on the night. It was in working order. Jeremy planned to take the bedroom phone off the hook & move Neville slightly out of bed, to make it look like he was making a call to Jeremy when Sheila shot him. If Neville was too heavy, June could have been moved.

Things went to plan when Jeremy entered WHF. Taking the kitchen phone off the hook to disable all phones in WHF.  Which could be a reason Neville went downstairs. To get to a working phone. 

After the fight Jeremy took the bedroom phone downstairs and plugged it into the kitchen socket. Putting the (working)  kitchen phone under some magazines. This was to justify why Neville called him from the kitchen and claim Sheila attacked Neville there.

What do other people think Jeremy's pre kitchen fight plan was ?

[lookout]

There was no plan. Psychotics like Sheila was, don't plan,they do things on the spur of the moment.This is why their illness is so unpredictable.
They can be quite affable one minute,then the next episode you wonder what hit you. They can be scary.

Only by working with these people does anyone understand how they react in certain situations.

[Jan]

Neville getting downstairs and a brutal kitchen fight was certainly not part of the plan.

Jeremy had entered the main bedroom fully loaded and intended to keep June & Neville there. Highlighted by the 11 bullets fired.

If Neville & June had both died in or near the bed, what was the next stage in the plan ?

Previous threads had shown that Jeremy's best option was to create the siege situation and invent the phone call. Being first on the scene in the morning still rounds the suspects down to two.

My view is the bedroom phone was in the bedroom on the night. It was in working order. Jeremy planned to take the bedroom phone off the hook & move Neville slightly out of bed, to make it look like he was making a call to Jeremy when Sheila shot him. If Neville was too heavy, June could have been moved.

Things went to plan when Jeremy entered WHF. Taking the kitchen phone off the hook to disable all phones in WHF.  Which could be a reason Neville went downstairs. To get to a working phone. 

After the fight Jeremy took the bedroom phone downstairs and plugged it into the kitchen socket. Putting the (working)  kitchen phone under some magazines. This was to justify why Neville called him from the kitchen and claim Sheila attacked Neville there.

What do other people think Jeremy's pre kitchen fight plan was ?

source please

[Adam]

It does seem strange that the bedroom phone was plugged into the kitchen socket. With the kitchen phone taken out of it's socket. Eh ?

Neville may have gone to use the upstairs bedroom phone but realised he could not. Which is why he went downstairs.

Both phones were working. Plug them into their correct sockets in their intended rooms. It only takes 30 seconds to do.

[scipio_usmc]

Neville getting downstairs and a brutal kitchen fight was certainly not part of the plan.

Jeremy had entered the main bedroom fully loaded and intended to keep June & Neville there. Highlighted by the 11 bullets fired.

If Neville & June had both died in or near the bed, what was the next stage in the plan ?

Previous threads had shown that Jeremy's best option was to create the siege situation and invent the phone call. Being first on the scene in the morning still rounds the suspects down to two.

My view is the bedroom phone was in the bedroom on the night. It was in working order. Jeremy planned to take the bedroom phone off the hook & move Neville slightly out of bed, to make it look like he was making a call to Jeremy when Sheila shot him. If Neville was too heavy, June could have been moved.

Things went to plan when Jeremy entered WHF. Taking the kitchen phone off the hook to disable all phones in WHF.  Which could be a reason Neville went downstairs. To get to a working phone. 

After the fight Jeremy took the bedroom phone downstairs and plugged it into the kitchen socket. Putting the (working)  kitchen phone under some magazines. This was to justify why Neville called him from the kitchen and claim Sheila attacked Neville there.

What do other people think Jeremy's pre kitchen fight plan was ?

I think that he hid the phone in advance to make sure they could not call for help.

[lookout]

 Do you think for one minute that Jeremy would be arsing around with phones ? He'd have gone straight in and done the deed in less time it would have taken moving/unplugging phones everywhere.

His interest was money,don't forget ! Not phones,or hiding them under a pile of magazines.

How long do you think the whole process would have taken him ?

 What is strange is that he came away without so much as a scratch from Sheila with her long,manicured nails,nor a bruise in this INTENSE struggle with his father in the kitchen. There would also have been cadaver scent in his house,on his person,so the dog which was present outside WHF must have had no sense of smell.

[Adam]

Journalist Bob Woffindon said Jeremy would just have to take the downstairs phone off the hook. That disabled the other phones as there was only one line.

When living at my parents, this same thing would happen.

I am not sure Jeremy had the chance to hide the bedroom phone. He had no key to WHF . The last time he was there, three other adults were also around.

[scipio_usmc]

Journalist Bob Woffindon said Jeremy would just have to take the downstairs phone off the hook. That disabled the other phones as there was only one line.

When living at my parents, this same thing would happen.

I am not sure Jeremy had the chance to hide the bedroom phone. He had no key to WHF . The last time he was there, three other adults were also around.

A phone has to be off the hook for a while it to not be able to be used.  Just taking it off the hook doesn't prevent someone else from dialing out, it prevents someone from calling.  If you start dialing  a number then stop that owuld mess up someone on a different line being able to dial out.  If you just take it off the hook and then someone picks up an extrension they can still dial out so long as there is still a dialtone. After a while off the hook the dialtone is lost and then it has to be hung up before you can dial.

[lookout]

 You can't dial out on a phone which has been left off the hook.

[scipio_usmc]

You can't dial out on a phone which has been left off the hook.

You can so long as the dilatone is still there.  When the call times out and the dialtone is gone then you can't.  As long as the dialtone is there you can dial from an extension.  It still works even today though the time period where the dialtone vanishes is faster today than in the past.  After about 30 seconds off the hook you get the annoying, "if you would like to make a call please hang up and try again" message. 

[lookout]

You can so long as the dilatone is still there.  When the call times out and the dialtone is gone then you can't.  As long as the dialtone is there you can dial from an extension.  It still works even today though the time period where the dialtone vanishes is faster today than in the past.  After about 30 seconds off the hook you get the annoying, "if you would like to make a call please hang up and try again" message.

But the dial tone went off after a few minutes of it being off the hook and you'd get the voice of the operator telling you to replace the receiver,or there'd have been a long drawn-out wailing tone. I know because I was probably older then than you are now,to have remembered how the phones were.

[scipio_usmc]

But the dial tone went off after a few minutes of it being off the hook and you'd get the voice of the operator telling you to replace the receiver,or there'd have been a long drawn-out wailing tone. I know because I was probably older then than you are now,to have remembered how the phones were.

All you did was end up admitting what a stated earlier, that the phone would be able to be used the first several minutes which would mean the killer would need to have waited a few minutes after taking ot off the hook before he could expect the phone to be disabled and then safely go kill without anyone being able to use the phone.

Removing the phone in advance would be safer. Suppose he were to mess up and they woke as he entered the window they potentially could call police not knowing it was him.  With no phone present there would be less left to chance.