'9/11' WTC

[No-Bits]

I don't agree with conspiracy theories about 9/11, on this occasion, I agree with scipio. 

That makes two of us.

[nugnug]

i just dont belive they could of done all that without anybody noticing.

i mean this is newyork were talking  about is not like theirs not going to be people passing by the building that's without counting the people inside. they couldn't of done all thats claimed with nobody seeing anything.

[Roch]

Some interesting replies on here which I had hoped to try and address the other day.  But low and behold, as I sent my carefully drafted post, my internet connection went down. 

[John]

The conspiracy theories are simply a ploy to deny al-Qaeda their moment of glory.

[Roch]

The conspiracy theories are simply a ploy to deny al-Qaeda their moment of glory.

19 Islamic men training as pilots right under the noses of the American security services; successfully carrying out attacks with passenger jets, without any hindrence from the defence services of a country with the biggest defence budget in the world; steel and concrete mega-structures tumbling down, even ones not hit by planes.  I think it's safe to say that the greatest 9/11 conspiracy is the official version. 

Go look at the budget the Bush Administration allowed for the official enquiry and then compare that figure to the figure that Susan Lindauer's CIA handler was paid to keep schtum. 

[Roch]

Oh, that's put me on the spot. I'm not sure to be honest.

I don't necessarily know whether things have been maliciously faked, but perhaps people have been reflecting on erroneous information and therefore arrived at conclusions which do not reflect reality.

The forces involved in the collapse of the two main towers must have been phenomenal, I guess I'm sort of surprised that the forces did not disrupt the ground and cause the foundations of other (more than it did) nearby buildings to collapse.

WTC6, which may appear to have a crater in the middle, 'could' simply be due to damage below the building, perhaps there was a tube station below it, or many sub-ground level floors.
From a personal point of view. I could go along with the authorities being aware of a terrorist attack and simply allowing it to take place, however I find the claims of the US actually carrying out the attacks, be it by setting their own explosives or firing missiles at the buildings etc, to be ridiculously absurd.

The engineers may well have an insight into the forces involved and be able to offer expert opinion on that basis, however Architects are not qualified in that field, or at least most of them are not. So if Architects are offering an opinion based on a subject they are not qualified in, then the actual weight of their opinions should be considered accordingly.

Plus most Architects tend to be a little odd, in one respect or another.

I will add the caveat in, that I haven't studied the 'claims' in any way and the above is just my 'off the cuff' opinion.

I don't know if Handyman thinks along the same lines, or not.

Thanks for your reply.  There are numerous images of WTC6 on the internet.  What I've read is that the inside of building that's missing, the crater, goes down to the lower basement.  So everything from the lower basement upwards is missing.

Regarding the footage in general, I'd like to make a point / ask a question about that.

[John]

19 Islamic men training as pilots right under the noses of the American security services; successfully carrying out attacks with passenger jets, without any hindrence from the defence services of a country with the biggest defence budget in the world; steel and concrete mega-structures tumbling down, even ones not hit by planes.  I think it's safe to say that the greatest 9/11 conspiracy is the official version. 

Go look at the budget the Bush Administration allowed for the official enquiry and then compare that figure to the figure that Susan Lindauer's CIA handler was paid to keep schtum. 

David and Goliath all over again.

[No-Bits]

Thanks for your reply.  There are numerous images of WTC6 on the internet.  What I've read is that the inside of building that's missing, the crater, goes down to the lower basement.  So everything from the lower basement upwards is missing.

Regarding the footage in general, I'd like to make a point / ask a question about that.

Hi Roch

I think your PM was just to point me here to your post, is that right?

Sure, ask a question, I'll comment/answer if I can.

[Roch]

Hi Roch

I think your PM was just to point me here to your post, is that right?

Sure, ask a question, I'll comment/answer if I can.

I might pm you first.  It will be over the weekend as I am doing some night-shifts and have PC access. 
But before that, am I right in thinking that WTC6's floors could have (possibly) collapsed in to any kind of underground chamber that lay directly below the building, for example subway tunnels and that the top of the rubble pile could be the lower basement?  That is how I read your opinion on WTC6.

[No-Bits]

I might pm you first.  It will be over the weekend as I am doing some night-shifts and have PC access. 
But before that, am I right in thinking that WTC6's floors could have (possibly) collapsed in to any kind of underground chamber that lay directly below the building, for example subway tunnels and that the top of the rubble pile could be the lower basement?  That is how I read your opinion on WTC6.

If there actually was any underground structure that is, I recall reading that there was just one sub-level, but I don't know how accurate that is. 

The floors have clearly collapsed in some manner, leaving a good deal of the external shell standing. The floors and internal partitions would likely have been light weight and non-loadbearing construction, so when they have all collapsed, perhaps there is simply not as much debris as you might think. The building was effectively hollow when it was still standing.

I haven't really looked at it in much (or any) detail, just a cursory glance.

Feel free to Pm me if you like.

[Roch]

If there actually was any underground structure that is, I recall reading that there was just one sub-level, but I don't know how accurate that is. 

The floors have clearly collapsed in some manner, leaving a good deal of the external shell standing. The floors and internal partitions would likely have been light weight and non-loadbearing construction, so when they have all collapsed, perhaps there is simply not as much debris as you might think. The building was effectively hollow when it was still standing.

I haven't really looked at it in much (or any) detail, just a cursory glance.

Feel free to Pm me if you like.

Thanks,  I'll mull this over.  Be back soon.

[Roch]

http://www.rense.com/general76/missing.htm

[Roch]

Is anyone aware of any protestations or denials, made by any of the main US media corporations with regards to tampering of their 9/11 broadcast footage, post broadcast?

Does this make sense?

There seems to be a lot of people disseminating and examining alleged original broadcast footage, frame by frame.  Hence many of the claims being made that the footage from the day was altered and/or faked prior to broadcast.

The alternative argument to the above would seem to be that the footage was tampered with after having been originally broadcast, rendering many of these subsequent claims false.

It would make sense that any discerning researcher would want to obtain the original broadcast footage, as opposed to examining footage from any source that may have been tampered with post broadcast?

If claims were being made by researchers who based their claims on adulterated footage, not from the original sources, then wouldn't those original sources themselves be able to challenge and dismiss the claims being made, simply by reference to the actual original broadcast footage?

[tyler]

http://youtu.be/c4d2Mt2a6iM

Can't really argue with the law of physics!
Gobsmacked at seeing the nose of the 'plane' coming out the other side of the building.
 

[Mr. Gee]

http://youtu.be/c4d2Mt2a6iM

Can't really argue with the law of physics!
Gobsmacked at seeing the nose of the 'plane' coming out the other side of the building.

Tyler I was watching it on TV while it was happening. Too many people were filming it and watching it as it happened. Of course it was a plane. The people on the planes were phoning their loved ones as they wree highjacked. There was a well know TV reporter who died in the crash and who phoned her husband just before the crash. The so called explosions from within the buildings just before they collapsed was probably girders breaking as the weight of the top of the buildings increased. The fire was so intense that it burned away that section of the building that the bottom half of it could not hold the weight of the top.