'9/11' WTC

[tyler]

Hi Grahame. I respect your opinions but I feel I have read enough and seen enough now to not be of the same opinion.

[lookout]

Tyler I was watching it on TV while it was happening. Too many people were filming it and watching it as it happened. Of course it was a plane. The people on the planes were phoning their loved ones as they wree highjacked. There was a well know TV reporter who died in the crash and who phoned her husband just before the crash. The so called explosions from within the buildings just before they collapsed was probably girders breaking as the weight of the top of the buildings increased. The fire was so intense that it burned away that section of the building that the bottom half of it could not hold the weight of the top.

It's the way I saw it too and remember vividly. It was stomach-churning like the worst horror film.

[Mr. Gee]

Hi Grahame. I respect your opinions but I feel I have read enough and seen enough now to not be of the same opinion.

Did you watch it on TV Tyler?

[Roch]

I think we all watched it on TV.  However the TV was American mainstream media coverage.  What seems to be being suggested is that the mainstream media in America is in the pocket of other powers that be.  I do remember that previously it has been claimed that their mainstream media is very insular / pro USA, not very cutting edge in terms of reportage.   Since I dont live there, I dont know how accurate that claim is.

[Mr. Gee]

I think we all watched it on TV.  However the TV was American mainstream media coverage.  What seems to be being suggested is that the mainstream media in America is in the pocket of other powers that be.  I do remember that previously it has been claimed that their mainstream media is very insular / pro USA, not very cutting edge in terms of reportage.   Since I dont live there, I dont know how accurate that claim is.

Well what technology could manufacture an image of what looked like a plane when it hit the second tower whilst we were all watching it at the time? Are you saying that there was enough time delay to allow them to quickly dub in an image of a plane from photoshop?
There were far too many eye winesses who were actually there who said it was a plane. They can't all be in the governments pockets. Also when the first plane hit a camera crew were not filming the towers, they were filming a fire crew handling another incident. In order to fake ALL images they would have to have had the means to deceive 1000's of people in different places.

[tyler]

Grahame,did you watch the video in the link I put up by any chance? Have you viewed any youtube video's on the subject at all? Plenty of experts that answer your questions. I have watched Dr Judy Wood's DVD 'Where did the towers go' and can thoroughly recommend it.

[handymanz]

Well what technology could manufacture an image of what looked like a plane when it hit the second tower whilst we were all watching it at the time? Are you saying that there was enough time delay to allow them to quickly dub in an image of a plane from photoshop?
There were far too many eye winesses who were actually there who said it was a plane. They can't all be in the governments pockets. Also when the first plane hit a camera crew were not filming the towers, they were filming a fire crew handling another incident. In order to fake ALL images they would have to have had the means to deceive 1000's of people in different places.

The whole image pool of  9/11 was prefabricated, no need for any cutting edge technology to insert a plane in real time.

Independance Day & Armageddon movies made a few years before have more realistic looking footage of what happened.

[Mr. Gee]

Grahame,did you watch the video in the link I put up by any chance? Have you viewed any youtube video's on the subject at all? Plenty of experts that answer your questions. I have watched Dr Judy Wood's DVD 'Where did the towers go' and can thoroughly recommend it.

Yes I have Tyler. The trouble with such videos is that they can be manipulated. You cannot fake such an event in front of 1000's of eye witnesses who were there and saw the whole thing. I believe that a lot of these conspiracy theories came about so as not to offend Muslims.

[Mr. Gee]

The whole image pool of  9/11 was prefabricated, no need for any cutting edge technology to insert a plane in real time.

Independance Day & Armageddon movies made a few years before have more realistic looking footage of what happened.

Rather we should look at the backgrounds of the conspiracy theorists first before we believe anything they say. The event was recorded by many and not just the American mainstream news media. Too many eye witnesses. I think we have seen too many miscarriages of justice to see how witness statements change because they have been persuaded that what they saw was not what actually happened.

[Roch]

Intriguing video about the so called 9/11 ball.  It also gives a brief overview of some of the mainstream media fake footage, as per the 'September Clues' video.

[Mr. Gee]

debunking conspiracy theory.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV4rvTxcMSY

[Mr. Gee]

The story of flight 93
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUrUQN0m79o

[Mr. Gee]

The story of flight 175
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFNMPk4b_48

[Mr. Gee]

A reconstruction of the flight of AA11 on September 11 2001.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLPehFP_xZw

[Roch]

Grahame, see if you can locate the Susan Lindauer video I posted up.  Reply no. 28: http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5733.15.html

It's very interesting about the run up to and aftermath of 9/11.  It tells you the USA position with Iraq behind the scenes and it tells you about who was warned to stay away from New York, just prior to 9/11.   Just to be clear, she her self believes there were planes involved (as well as military grade weapons having been used).  She talks also about the plane exercise planned for the same day (very convenient that this just happened to be taking place on the same morning as 9/11).

She was arrested under the 'Patriot Act' when she tried to whistleblow.