Where did Jeremy leave the rifle ?

[Adam]

'I didn't know what would happen did I ?'

Said Jeremy in court. Just before he said 'That's what you have to establish'.

This was of course referring to the rifle which Jeremy said he left out.

A few hours later on the massacre night Jeremy was telling the police Sheila was a 'depressive psychotic' who knew how to use guns (later retracted) and whose parents had apparently been discussing fostering of her sons earlier.

So why did Jeremy leave a fully loaded rifle laying around when there was Sheila & two 6 year olds there ? And why did Neville not put the rifle away ?  AE in her WS said Neville would have put the rifle away? Jeremy in his police interview also admitted Neville was 'reasonably careful with guns'.

Jeremy certainly  loaded the rifle.  After hearing rabbits ! But did not fire any bullets.

There is no way Jeremy would leave the gun in plain view if he was planning to use it. There was a strong chance Neville would have locked it away in the gun cupboard before bed. Ruining his plans.

With no one paying much attention, Jeremy probably went to put the rifle into the gun cupboard. But instead left it outside. Hidden away but easy to get later on. With the silencer attached.

Where do other people think Jeremy left the gun ?

[lookout]

 Jeremy left the rifle on the settle in the scullery.

 There was another rifle behind the open cupboard door. I can't say that that has been mentioned ?

[Jan]

'I didn't know what would happen did I ?'

Said Jeremy in court. Just before he said 'That's what you have to establish'.

This was of course referring to the rifle which Jeremy said he left out.

A few hours later on the massacre night Jeremy was telling the police Sheila was a 'depressive psychotic' who knew how to use guns (later retracted) and whose parents had apparently been discussing fostering of her sons earlier.

So why did Jeremy leave a fully loaded rifle laying around when there was Sheila & two 6 year olds there ? And why did Neville not put the rifle away ?  AE in her WS said Neville would have put the rifle away? Jeremy in his police interview also admitted Neville was 'reasonably careful with guns'.

Jeremy certainly  loaded the gun. After hearing rabbits ! But did not fire any bullets.

There is no way Jeremy would leave the gun in plain view if he was planning to use it. There was a strong chance Neville would have locked it away in the gun cupboard before bed. Ruining his plans.

With no one paying much attention, Jeremy probably went to put the rifle into the gun cupboard. But instead left it outside. Hidden away but easy to get later on. With the silencer attached.

Where do other people think Jeremy left the gun ?

how do you know that Neville did not put the gun away ? but not lock the cupboard? Apparently there were other guns around in the house -so I don't think he was as careful as you are indicating . How do you know if he locked the cupboard where he put the key?- perhaps Sheila knew where it was ?

Its all supposition .

[Adam]

how do you know that Neville did not put the gun away ? but not lock the cupboard? Apparently there were other guns around in the house -so I don't think he was as careful as you are indicating . How do you know if he locked the cupboard where he put the key?- perhaps Sheila knew where it was ?

Its all supposition .

There were other guns lying around the house ? Source please.

Why would Sheila know where the gun cupboard key was ? She did not live there and rarely visited.

Neville said to BW he was worried that he would die in a shooting accident and that he must 'never turn his back on that young man'. So I suspect he kept the gun cupboard key close to him.

[maggie]

There were other guns lying around the house ? Source please.
Why would Sheila know where the gun cupboard key was ? She did not live there and rarely visited.
Neville said to BW he was worried that he would die in a shooting accident and that he must 'never turn his back on that young man'. So I suspect he kept the gun cupboard key close to him.

There was no lock on the gun cupboard Adam, therefore there was no key.

[Adam]

There was no lock on the gun cupboard Adam, therefore there was no key.

Really ? Source please.

Bit dangerous leaving guns available with a 'psychotic depressive' staying. And a scheming son sniffing around the wills.

[Jane]

Really ? Source please.

Bit dangerous leaving guns available with a 'psychotic depressive' staying. And a scheming son sniffing around the wills.

Which suggests that Nevill considered Jeremy neither dangerous nor a snoop.

[Jan]

Really ? Source please.

Bit dangerous leaving guns available with a 'psychotic depressive' staying.

EXACTLY

[Adam]

Now if anyone can find my requested source, it is Jansus.

[lookout]

 The annoying Daniel Day !

[Jan]

Now if anyone can find my requested source, it is Jansus.

does not look like an "official lockable gun cupboard to me " and lets face it if Neville had tidied away all the gns and locked them away and put the key somewhere safe then this all would not have happened would it

"The gun cupboard where David Boutflour claims he found the silencer was the one inside the downstairs office, as shown in the image attached. Any suggestion by anyone else, that this is, or was, or might not be the gun cupboard in question, should be treated with skepticism...

Gun Cabinet referred to by others, was a reference to Anthony Pargeters gun cabinet, which Jeremy told me was kept in the downstairs toilet at the scene, into which all Pargeters weapons, and ammunitions were usually kept...

Essex police confirm that the gun cupboard inside which was found the silencer, was situated inside th downstairs office at whf..."

[grahameb]

Really ? Source please.

Bit dangerous leaving guns available with a 'psychotic depressive' staying. And a scheming son sniffing around the wills.

I'm not sure of course, but I don't think a lock was ever mentioned. I've always assumed that it was never locked? Nevill did seem rather gung ho with guns it must be said.

[maggie]

I'm not sure of course, but I don't think a lock was ever mentioned. I've always assumed that it was never locked? Nevill did seem rather gung ho with guns it must be said.

You are correct Grahame, there wasn't a lock on the gun cupboard door.

[Adam]

You are correct Grahame, there wasn't a lock on the gun cupboard door.

I asked you for a source recently. Still waiting.

Then asked Jansus. Who put up a picture. Which is neither here or there.

If there was no lock why did Jeremy make a big fuss about leaving the rifle out for Sheila ? If she could have just taken one out of the open gun cupboard.

[maggie]

I asked you for a source recently. Still waiting.

Then asked Jansus. Who put up a picture. Which is neither here or there.

If there was no lock why did Jeremy make a big fuss about leaving the rifle out for Sheila ? If she could have just taken one out of the open gun cupboard.

Source for what Adam?  Last time I gave you a source you totally ignored it and just carried on posting your opinion over and over again so really sorry but I won't be doing it again.

There was NOT a lock on the gun cupboard, I assure you.
Maybe Jeremy made a 'big fuss' about leaving the rifle out because he was just telling the truth ie. He left the rifle out.