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Offline maggie

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Re: Where did Jeremy leave the rifle ?
« Reply #30 on: June 23, 2014, 08:13:PM »
Maggie says so. So that's it.

So Jeremy should not feel guilty about hearing rabbits,  loading the rifle. Going to shoot rabbits. Not firing any shots. Then leaving the fully loaded rifle by the sofa. Because Sheila had lots of guns to choose from. And she knew how to load them as well.

Mind you Jeremy has never shown any regret for the above. 'I didn't know what would happen, did I' ? He said in court.
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Re: Where did Jeremy leave the rifle ?
« Reply #31 on: June 23, 2014, 08:16:PM »
Personally I would have thought he should have put it away personally, especially as there were kids around. But I suppose he was just following the slipshod way of the family on that one?
But if you work it out he needen't have mentioned the gun at all. No one would have been any the wiser. Having said that he needn't have mentioned the phone call either? He was either an innocent man, or an exceptionally stupid guilty one?

His story of seeing bunnies at is was getting dark and got the gun to shoot them is not credible because he was not known to shoot them.

His story of finding the gun with the suppressor and scope not attached is even less credible because Nevill would have no reason to remove either and was known to leave them attached.

His story of leaving of placing the gun near the door then dumping the bullets out in the kitchen and loading the magazine in front of Sheila as she sat in the kitchen is not credible either especially in light of there being too many bullets left for that ammo to have been the source of the ammo used in the crimes. 

His story of leaving the gun, magazine and ammo all out is likewise not credible.

Added together it is pure BS that was invented to try tpo pretend there wa s aweapon of opportunity for Sheila to grab that she would not have sought out on her own, woudl not have found in that condition, woudl have had to go seek ammo that was stored separately and would have otherwise have had to load the magazine and thus leave the gun alone to be taken away. 

He lied about her firing this wepaon and all other wepaons in the house and even lied about using the weapon himself the week before the murders.  He denied using it early on.  But in September afte rpolice confronted him about the last known user finding the gun with the suppressor and scope attached and putting it away in the same condition he changed his story claiming he used it throughout the week that preceeded the murders.  He went from not tougching it to useing it repeatedly and claimed that each time he used it , it was in a different condition sometime shaving the scope and suppressor other times lacking them which is absurd. 

You don't forget that you used the rifle constantly but then a month later remember such when all of a sudden you have a need for the gun to have been used by someone after Anthony used it and worse to claim Nevill also constantly used it and that he kept taking the scope and suppressor off though he was not know to do so and it would make no sense for him to do so.

He lied and people who want to hide their eyes from that are simpy trying to deny reality. 

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Re: Where did Jeremy leave the rifle ?
« Reply #32 on: June 23, 2014, 08:21:PM »
His story of seeing bunnies at is was getting dark and got the gun to shoot them is not credible because he was not known to shoot them.

His story of finding the gun with the suppressor and scope not attached is even less credible because Nevill would have no reason to remove either and was known to leave them attached.

His story of leaving of placing the gun near the door then dumping the bullets out in the kitchen and loading the magazine in front of Sheila as she sat in the kitchen is not credible either especially in light of there being too many bullets left for that ammo to have been the source of the ammo used in the crimes. 

His story of leaving the gun, magazine and ammo all out is likewise not credible.

Added together it is pure BS that was invented to try tpo pretend there wa s aweapon of opportunity for Sheila to grab that she would not have sought out on her own, woudl not have found in that condition, woudl have had to go seek ammo that was stored separately and would have otherwise have had to load the magazine and thus leave the gun alone to be taken away. 

He lied about her firing this wepaon and all other wepaons in the house and even lied about using the weapon himself the week before the murders.  He denied using it early on.  But in September afte rpolice confronted him about the last known user finding the gun with the suppressor and scope attached and putting it away in the same condition he changed his story claiming he used it throughout the week that preceeded the murders.  He went from not tougching it to useing it repeatedly and claimed that each time he used it , it was in a different condition sometime shaving the scope and suppressor other times lacking them which is absurd. 

You don't forget that you used the rifle constantly but then a month later remember such when all of a sudden you have a need for the gun to have been used by someone after Anthony used it and worse to claim Nevill also constantly used it and that he kept taking the scope and suppressor off though he was not know to do so and it would make no sense for him to do so.

He lied and people who want to hide their eyes from that are simpy trying to deny reality.
As I said before there was no need for him to have mentioned either the gun or the telephone call. By the way I don't think it was he would told the story of being watched by Sheila as he loaded the gun? I thought he said that he did not show her how to do it?

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Re: Where did Jeremy leave the rifle ?
« Reply #34 on: June 23, 2014, 08:25:PM »
The plan of saying he left a fully loaded rifle out is not too bad. For the reasons mentioned above.

The problem was it took two reloads and a brutal beating to finish the massacre. Rather than just 11 bullets.
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Re: Where did Jeremy leave the rifle ?
« Reply #35 on: June 23, 2014, 08:39:PM »
Adam why will you not reply to my post about Jeremy and the rifle :'(

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Re: Where did Jeremy leave the rifle ?
« Reply #36 on: June 23, 2014, 08:48:PM »
I did not ask for a source before and missed you're post the first time. 

Now I have asked for a source. So will not miss it.

I have no source saying it was lockable. But always assumed it was lockable. It was a gun cupboard. Not hard to put a lock on.

No, it wasn't a gun cupboard, it was a cupbaord with was used to keep guns - big difference and there was no lock.
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Re: Where did Jeremy leave the rifle ?
« Reply #37 on: June 23, 2014, 08:49:PM »
As I said before there was no need for him to have mentioned either the gun or the telephone call. By the way I don't think it was he would told the story of being watched by Sheila as he loaded the gun? I thought he said that he did not show her how to do it?

1) He said he loaded the magazine in front of her.  He specifically stated the rifle was not in th ekitchen with him and that he took the magazine to the weapon and inserted it elsewhere.  His assertion was that her watching him meant she could load a gun but he was wrong.  Just seeing her load the mgazine would neither explain where to insert the magazine nor more importantly how to chamber a round or let her be aware a round needed to be chambered. 

2)The telephone call and all the lies about getting the gun out and leaving it out were all part of his scheme to frame Sheila.

If he didn't make up the phone call then he would not have had an excuse to call police and would have had to go to sleep and then when the bodies were found the next day he would have to pretend he knows nothing, say he was asleep in bed and hope they believe it.  He thought the phone clal was better because he could use that lie to pretend he had proof he was home.  That is why he made such a big deal about making sure police saw him arrive at the scene after them.

The call also was used to claim that Nevill said she had a gun on them and had gone crazy to furthe rhis frame job.   

Had the bodies been foudn the next day apart from the gun sitting on her, which the killer could simply drop it on her, there woudl be nothing to establish she did it.  No forensic evidence that she beat or shot anyone or even loaded a gun.

The claim that Nevill said she had a gun on them was integral to his frame job of her.

His story of the gun, loaded magazine and extra bullets being left out was to firther the narrative of her holding them at gunpoint.

How would the following look:

They are all found dead, gun is found on Sheila.  Gun normally is stored with scope and suppressor.  Why would Sheila go to the closet and get a gun at all let alone remove both?  Going to a closet, going to a separate area to get bullets, removing the accessories to make it easier to aim the gun at very close range and using the gun to kill everyone suggests planning not spontaneous crazy actions.   

His tale was to make it seem the gun was a target of opportunity and that Sheila used it to kill everyone despite the complete lack of forensic evidence she did so.

The fake phone call and tale about leaving the gun out was integral to his framing job.

But for these things they even more readily would have figured out that Sheila didin't do it and the killer simply tossed the gun on her.  Jeremy would have been suspected and Julie might still have blabbed.  The strongest evidence that Jeremy was the killer though as opposed to someone else framing Sheila was Jeremy's own active frame job.  He did such because just leaving the gun on her wasn't enough.

 
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Re: Where did Jeremy leave the rifle ?
« Reply #38 on: June 23, 2014, 08:51:PM »
I think in statements it was said that Neville would just make sure guns were safe and put them away at the end of the day - that's all . And I think it was said he kept a loaded gun under his bed ?

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Re: Where did Jeremy leave the rifle ?
« Reply #39 on: June 23, 2014, 09:00:PM »
NO LOCK!!


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Re: Where did Jeremy leave the rifle ?
« Reply #40 on: June 23, 2014, 09:09:PM »
good photo - good source ;D

pity we cant see the blood on the cobweb as well.


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Re: Where did Jeremy leave the rifle ?
« Reply #41 on: June 23, 2014, 09:10:PM »
NO LOCK!!




Towards the lower half there is a latch and there is a strike plate on the other side.  This latch could be controlled by a key as opposed to a handle.  You need a photo of the outside of the door.   
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Re: Where did Jeremy leave the rifle ?
« Reply #42 on: June 23, 2014, 09:12:PM »
NO LOCK!!



Thank you Caroline ......... NO LOCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Where did Jeremy leave the rifle ?
« Reply #43 on: June 23, 2014, 09:22:PM »
Towards the lower half there is a latch and there is a strike plate on the other side.  This latch could be controlled by a key as opposed to a handle.  You need a photo of the outside of the door.

Oh for gods sake - I KNOW there was no lock but we can go on all night and for the next few weeks arguing the toss but in the end there will still be NO LOCK.
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Re: Where did Jeremy leave the rifle ?
« Reply #44 on: June 23, 2014, 09:22:PM »
I think there might be a lock, I can´t tell for sure, but that whitish square on the narrow, end side of the door could be a lock-thing (the thing that goes into the door frame when a key is turned), which I have no idea what is called...

Buuut, can´t tell for sure, need to see the front of the door.  8)